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RE: 25 Sep 2004 14:11 #2

I think the important thing is the "vet wants you to shoe the horse at the clinic" If it is not necessary, then you should charge what is normal for your consultation and regular shoeing fees, and not worry about the vets cut. I think in these situations the vet is charging for the consultation anyway. I don't work in any clinics on a regular basis but, I can't see how that would be much different than you and the vet meeting at the clients barn, he charges for what he does and you charge for what you charge. I do know a couple of vets that charge extra for having the farrier use thier clinic but that goes directly to the clients and doesn't involve the farrier at all. I also know a farrier that has drive in and drop off clients at a vet clinic. Nothing necessarily wrong with the horse just convienient to both parties and he pays the vet I believe 5 or 10% for a "rental of space" fee. I think it works good but the vet wasn't very well liked by other farriers for awhile.
If there is something wrong with the horse in question then I believe you should charge not only your regular charges but also for consulting with the vet. It takes time to look at x-rays and have a cup of coffee and ask how the docs golf game is.lol
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Dave :cool:
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RE: 25 Sep 2004 14:16 #3

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9/25/04

Scott,

I figure that my shoeing/trimming price is for shoeing/trimming. If I travel extra ,I charge.If the horse is unruly, I charge extra. If I have to wait around for the horse to be caught, I charge xtra. clips,pads,studs etc,Extra. I feel the same about being at the vets,or working with the vet.If I get there and he or she says do such and such and it takes no more time than normal and is not out of my way I charge regular,any thing else and I use the X word. If we think about it extra is the wrong word, because we,re selling our time and energy, if the consumer uses more of it ,it costs the same per unit,just more of it.

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RE: 25 Sep 2004 23:48 #4

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I usually don't charge extra to meet the client at the vet clinic rather than at the client's place, as long as it isn't a last minute change in schedule thing that takes me out of my original driving direction and thereby messes up my schedule. I really liked working at the vet university farrier shop one or two days a week in California because I got to do difficult cases I might never have otherwise seen in the field.
Unfortunately here in rural Colorado most of the field vets do not have clinics but are just working out of their trucks.
I normally LIKE working in a clinic a lot, and therefore find it a treat rather than a chore when I can.
First, it is usually requested to be there because the vet wants to do hoof alignment Xrays for the shoeing, before and after, and sometimes in the middle to check the bone column alignment and medial lateral balance internally. Or they want to do clinical exam before and after the theraputic shoeing is applied to see how it is going to work. Getting those Xrays on the spot on so many cases has helped me so much to be able to "dial in" the internal hoof balance and breakover etc by learning to see better the relationship between the coffin bone and the outer hoof structures. And recognize subtle hoof distortion that may be throwing me off a bit. So often I THOUGHT I had breakover at say a quater inch ahead of P3 , but a quick "after" shoeing Xray revealed it was still a quarter or a half inch too far forward. In that case I could pull the shoe and set it accurately before the horse went home. Working in a clinic with a vet who is on the same track like that is one of my favorite opportunities. Unless you get to see LOTS of Xrays of the feet you are working on, mapping out those foot parameters is a harder thing to learn. I take the clinic opportunties as as 'free schooling'. It keeps me dialed in.
As well, there are those handy dandy sedatives readily available for that nervous horseand I like to work on sleepy horses when the feet have comlicated problems.
And the clients become dedicated, lifelong clients when they know you are willing to put in that extra effort to be at the clinic and work as a hands on team with the vet.

I like doing it so much personally I don't usually charge extra for a clinic visit but I suppose I should. Time is valuable, especially if the clinic was a long way away or I spend a couple of extra hours there waiting for diagnostics etc. . Patty
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RE: 26 Sep 2004 14:23 #5

The problem with most farriery practices is they do not opperate on an hourly rate and add materials to this. Most of us rely on a sumise of what we think the client will pay, irrespective of the actual costs to us for completeing the work.
Our practice carried out a study of all the work we completed for our regular clients. (not refferrals) This study took us one year to complete. The things we looked at were, The distance to the client, return journey, The materials we used and the time each horse took to shoe/trim. We found out that there is a maximum distance that is proffitable for us to travel and 30% of our clients did not make us enough proffit to continue their work, thus we replaced these clients with profitable work.
I have been the resident farrier at two equine hospitals and run a farrier / vet referral practice, here in the UK. Most of our refferals either come into our own practice or at on of the two hospitals. we charge a visit fee, return, to each visit, whether this is to a vets or the clints place, (based on a combination of the vehicle running costs per mile and our hourly fee) however we do split the fee between the number of cases we work on. Clients will expect to pay for the time you spend in solving the horses problems and comminicating with both the vet and them, explaining exactly what you are doing. People do not respect either you or your work unless you present yourself in a professional way and are capable of solving the existing problems with their horse. Also if you do not charge a fee that is sufficient, two things happen. 1/ You will not put your all into the job and may become resentful about doing it. 2/ A small fee suggests incompetance when compared to other professions and the client will not respect your professional ability and time. Almost every time I have compromised my fees to soften the impact to the client, people do not respect the work and do not do as they have been instructed. The client then expects you to maintain the case at your expense, because they do not respect you as a professional person.
I do not think that I have all the answers but rember, in the business world, 30% proffit margin is considered SURVIVAL! thus you need to rember we can all work for nothing, the trick is not just to survive but to make a proffit. Good luck in your work and rember, we owe it to our equine friends not to cheat (or cheap) them out of the soundness they deserve.
David.
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RE: 26 Sep 2004 18:29 #6

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Scott,
All of the above was well said.
I figure a normal shoeing is normal whrerever it is. Like Patty, I enjoy working around the Vet's place. If there are delays from other patients (or more likley their ****** owners), or as you put it "standing around and consulting" then I charge as I would if I was at their stable and was delayed by something.

I remember a post from the old boards on this subject kinda, the fellow said if an former client who had dumped him for his high prices had to have him meet them at the Vet's for sepical work, the phrase "winning the lottery" was used.
My $0.02,
Bill

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