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All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 16 Feb 2007 15:54 #1

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For all those who use them i am trying to figure out if there are any out there that are portable with wheels or if you have to make them portable and also if wood are better then steel stocks Info is appriciated.

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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 17 Feb 2007 02:37 #2

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Cody;
you have asked a question that I have pondered for quite a while.
You could put an axel under the stocks and a removable hitch on the front, but then even with stablizing legs you would have the hinderance of the wheels on each side.
You could put an axel under them with a bend in it so when you stopped hauling the rig, you let a lever down and the axel would lower the stocks to ground level. When ready to leave you pull the lever up and it would raise the axel and lock in for travel. ( a "U" shaped axel with side arms coming of each side of the "U" would work. The bottom of the "U" raised in the air would be travel mode. The "U" lowered would put the stock ground level.) But once again working around the wheels would be a nusiance.
You could put the stocks in a large wide goose neck trailer and make them permanent inside and haul them around that way. Loading the animal and doing the work inside the trailer.
You could load them on a trailer and unload them at the site like I did for a few yrs. I installed a battery operated winch to haul the stocks back onto the trailer when finished. (man power unloaded it unless there was something I could hook a chain to and drive out from under the stocks.
Stock modification.l Definitely something that needs to be done.
The front rest used for dressing the wall doesn't need to be slanted.
most of these leg posts are a bit high and should be only high enough to get the job done but keep the animal confortable.
A flat surface of 3" by 6" wide , would give support and working area.
The other side of the post where the leg is bent at the knee and strapped to the leg post "SHOULD BE SLANTED" and NOT flat.
The horses leg doesn't rest flat but actually at an angle and should be slanted so the natural bend of the leg can rest comfortabley.
I suggest cupping the slanted surface so the pastern sits inside and doesn't slide off to the outside of the post as it happens so many times. Strapped or not.
I keep waiting for a draft to snap his leg when struggling and it has slid off to the outside.
The front chest plate whether it swings open or is solidly attached should be raised a good 3" to 5".
The new drafts are 17H to 19H because the majority are raised as hitch horses. (it could be made where it is adjustable so if a shorter animal is put in it can be adjusted to the particular animals height.)
When you pull the front leg forward the knee always hits or bangs this chest plate. It is no wonder the animals get resistant to giving their legs.
Most stock floors are about 1 ft to short. Many of the new drafts hang off the back edge of the floor.
A better system of releasing the butt chains than the hole that they slide through. once unhooked.
More than one draft has started back to have the chain hang up and now the draft, in backward mode has all his weight on the chain and unless the stocks are secured to the ground it becomes a situation for it to flip over backwards with the horse still inside.
I have used 4 different systems and know there are better ways than the one that normally comes with the stocks that are sold.
The belly chains and the over the top chains encased in a rubber hose works really well and doesn't case any possible damage if a draft decides to lay down on them.
Metal stocks compared to wooden stocks I feel is going to depend on the person using them.
I built a really fine set of sturdy metal tube stocks and they were great ,but just as heavy as the wooden ones and weren't made to be broken down for travel.
I have seen the portable metal stocks in advertisementas and figure they should work well. Just wonder how strong they are when a really fractous draft gets upset in one. (but I would suspect the manufacture had taken that into account when building them)

I think either wooden or metal would work as well as the other if they are made sturdy.
The best permanent setup I use is at a large Belgian stable in Middlebury Vt that I shoe for. They have their stocks built upon a platform and I don't have to bend over at the waist to work on the draft.
I surely don't get sore in the back with this set up. The drafts all step up and enter the stock willingly and are comfortable.
Cody I hope this answers your questions and gives you some idea's.
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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 17 Feb 2007 04:54 #3

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I should take a picture of mine. I bought them off an amish guy who pulled is behind his buggy. It has a removable tung, and removable wheels that are pinned in place. It sits level. I will take some pictures this week if you would like, unfortnataly It wont be with the wheels or tung on, but I will take pics of where they mount.
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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 17 Feb 2007 08:55 #4

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vthorseshoe wrote:
You could load them on a trailer and unload them at the site like I did for a few yrs. I installed a battery operated winch to haul the stocks back onto the trailer when finished. (man power unloaded it unless there was something I could hook a chain to and drive out from under the stocks.
How about some rollers on the trailer deck?

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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 17 Feb 2007 12:55 #5

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I actually tried rollers, Bill. I took some from a grocery store that they use to unload trailers . I had 2 seperate roller ramps.
They were heavy and ***bersome and always in the way.
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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 17 Feb 2007 23:18 #6

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Anybody care to post pics of having a horse secured in the stocks? And to show how the feet are secured for trimming/shoeing? One of my clients is purchasing a set of stocks so that her drafts don't try to kill me anymore. I've had to walk away from doing back feet too many times because of the kicking. Having a 7" foot come flying at you when trying to pick up a back foot is no fun. Luckily, the drafts I do are smallish, but still, I don't need to get kicked. I never knew horses could swing their hind legs so far out to the side when aiming a kick!

I'd like to be able to use them safely, so any tips that can help me trim the horse without either of us getting hurt would be appreciated. I like the tips above, but I think they'll make more sense once I actually have some stocks in front of me.
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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 18 Feb 2007 21:23 #7

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Thank you guys very much any pics would be great.
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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 19 Feb 2007 05:39 #8

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Working horses in stocks is one of those things that realy helps to have an experenced hand show you the ropes (and pullys, chains and straps too).
Bill

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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 19 Feb 2007 12:20 #9

When I first started (yes.. they had internal combustion engines back then) I saw a set of portable set of stocks that I have never seen the likes of since.
they were metal... had "cut-out" doors that hinged upward and out of the way to allow the farrier to stand close -
The leg clamps were driven by crank screws for horses that refused to pick up their feet-
The entire rig could be raised an lowered hydraulically so the shoer could stand upright-
I wish I would have taken some pictures of it then, I've never seen anything like it since.
It was something to see - looked like it was built professionally, you could position an foot however you wanted it, stand upright to trim, nail and finish.

Of course, the alternative would be to shoe good standing horses only.
Don Richardson
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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 19 Feb 2007 17:23 #10

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Drafthorse Shoeing School ?
I would be interested in working with someone else or have someone working with me.
in other words, I am interested in seeing a facility and course started for teaching interested parties in shoeing drafts/(mules). It doesn't have to be my school or it could be my school.
RIGHT NOW I WOULD LIKE TO GET A GROUP OF INTERESTED DRAFT SHOERS or INVESTORS together to discuss the possibilities of such a venture.

For more information see my other post on farriers general site.
or contact me at:

Bruce Matthews AFA #1300
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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 19 May 2010 18:49 #11


Nobody posted any pics....I would be really interested in portable stocks ...anyone ???
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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 19 May 2010 19:40 #12

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Actually, this is something I've been discussing with my uncle ( who also shoes) a lot here lately. I'd also love to see any photos of portable stocks that are ( or were) in use.

Thanks
David
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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 24 May 2010 14:27 #13

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I've been using stocks for 10 years now. I'm not sure about "portable" ones, as I don't *think* they be as stable as a big heavy oak set on concrete. For the "normal" quiet drafts, probably be OK, but if you got a rowdy one, I'm just not sure the portable ones would be safe from flipping over.



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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 24 May 2010 14:30 #14

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matryoshka wrote:
Anybody care to post pics of having a horse secured in the stocks? And to show how the feet are secured for trimming/shoeing? One of my clients is purchasing a set of stocks so that her drafts don't try to kill me anymore. I've had to walk away from doing back feet too many times because of the kicking. Having a 7" foot come flying at you when trying to pick up a back foot is no fun. Luckily, the drafts I do are smallish, but still, I don't need to get kicked. I never knew horses could swing their hind legs so far out to the side when aiming a kick!

I'd like to be able to use them safely, so any tips that can help me trim the horse without either of us getting hurt would be appreciated. I like the tips above, but I think they'll make more sense once I actually have some stocks in front of me.


Whatever you do...ALWAYS secure at least one, if not both hind feet. If not, they'll get their feet up under them, and you'll have a bone-fide WRECK on your hands.

Steve
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RE:All Those Who Use Shoeing Stocks 24 May 2010 14:31 #15

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vthorseshoe wrote:
Drafthorse Shoeing School ?
I would be interested in working with someone else or have someone working with me.
in other words, I am interested in seeing a facility and course started for teaching interested parties in shoeing drafts/(mules). It doesn't have to be my school or it could be my school.
RIGHT NOW I WOULD LIKE TO GET A GROUP OF INTERESTED DRAFT SHOERS or INVESTORS together to discuss the possibilities of such a venture.

For more information see my other post on farriers general site.
or contact me at:

Bruce Matthews AFA #1300
Northeast Drafthorse Shoeing LLC
1719 Center rd
Hyde Park, Vermont 05655
1-802-888-7505 home
1-802-279-5367 cell
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Count me in, brother.

Steve
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