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Interesting results 28 Sep 2006 01:27 #1

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I was just watching the thoroughbred races from Woodbine Ontario, Canada on the new "Poly" track. In a claiming race, the winner dusted the field by four lengths. He was bare footed and hand ridden to the wire, at odds of 48/1. Love that Poly track! :D
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RE:Interesting results 28 Sep 2006 02:30 #2

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Bet the owners are now wishing they had moved him up to a higher claimer, or if no one claimed him, what are the odds they'll run him in a claimer again?

Whats the scoop on the poly surface?
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RE:Interesting results 28 Sep 2006 03:15 #3

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Rick,
I'm no expert on the poly surface but all the horsemen, trainers, jockeys, racing analists etc give it rave revues. It's a surface that doesn't change re; weather conditions, is always fast, has no kick back to bother horse or rider, and makes handicapping very difficult. Many horses that were on their way out because of soreness have extended careers and running like youngsters. I believe that there is a track in the States with the same surface, but I don't know where it is. Great for the horses and goggle sales are way down. :) The horse's name was Devishly Bold. Regards, John
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RE:Interesting results 28 Sep 2006 21:13 #4

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The main track at Turfway Park (Florence, KY) and Keeneland (Lexington, KY due to open for its first meet on the new course next week) both have polytrack. The training track at Keeneland has had polytrack for maybe two years.

Trainers have the opinion that a grass horse do well on thet surface so I have been using outer rims on the horses that run on it.

I belive that many tracks are planning to switch to that surface and the California Racing Commision is mandating it in the near future.

The main complaint I have heard is that (at Turfway) the silicone coated "dust" from the surface is getting in the horses lungs causing them to stop which still gives the horses with late speed and/or run from the back a big disadvantage. If you watch a night race at Turfway on TVG you can really see the white cloud the horses kick back behind them.

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RE:Interesting results 30 Sep 2006 04:24 #5

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e decker wrote:
The main complaint I have heard is that (at Turfway) the silicone coated "dust" from the surface is getting in the horses lungs causing them to stop which still gives the horses with late speed and/or run from the back a big disadvantage. If you watch a night race at Turfway on TVG you can really see the white cloud the horses kick back behind them.
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I wonder if there is a risk of long term damage to the lungs from the dust. Some synthetic materials cannot be broken down by the body once ingested into the lungs. The damage is ***ulative. I would suspect the slilcone coating could be one of those materials. OSHA doesn't protect horses. :)
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RE:Interesting results 30 Sep 2006 08:57 #6

Years ago I started thinking for the first time that we watch and shoe horses on pretty rigid footing, simply because in deep sand it's hard to judge anything about feet right?

When I bring back horses (in my case mostly reiners) and walk them through the indoor I noticed that the majority will start pushing their toes in the sand while on a hard surface they land even. (Well morst of them :rolleyes: )

A horse running on sand will land with his feet stretched out in front of him right? Not when the foot is even and straight down like when we judge the horse before and after shoeing. What happens to those heels in that soft footing? It gets pushed in I guess making breakover that much harder.

I can see this happening on grass too, probably less but at full speed those TB hit the deck hard! On a synthetic surface the heels dig in less or not at all making breakover easier and because of that relieving navicular area, deep flexor muscles and allowing the horse to use it's back for running rather than for pulling it's feet out of the ground.

And what about pot holes caused by one of the horses in front? Ever thought about what would happen when a race horse hits the edge of that hole when running for the roses?

I think those synthetic courses may save a lot of horses and help in giving horses equal chances too.


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RE:Interesting results 30 Sep 2006 13:05 #7

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Tom,
the conventional surfaces especially in the wintertime with salt and whatnot are already a major contributor to lung and breathing problems.

This is a large contributing factor as to why so many of those horses bleed.

Jockeys have complained of respiratory ailments from breathing that dirt for years. Point being what you say is interesting but the stuff they are breathing at present is far from harmless.

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RE:Interesting results 30 Sep 2006 16:54 #8

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
And what about pot holes caused by one of the horses in front? Ever thought about what would happen when a race horse hits the edge of that hole when running for the roses?


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Ron,
Great observations. Dr. Rooney speaks on the etiology of many maladies are the result of a snapping action. Dr Rooney Quotes in the book, The Lame Horse, " Snapping of tendinious structures is a major cause of tendon lesions". I would think that one of the suspensory branches would be affected in this sitiuation. Also, the SFT could be affected.


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RE:Interesting results 01 Oct 2006 12:32 #9

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George Geist wrote:
Tom,
the conventional surfaces especially in the wintertime with salt and whatnot are already a major contributor to lung and breathing problems.

This is a large contributing factor as to why so many of those horses bleed.

Jockeys have complained of respiratory ailments from breathing that dirt for years. Point being what you say is interesting but the stuff they are breathing at present is far from harmless.

George
Yea it made me wonder. Thanks for the info. I have no experience with runners. What I do know is that most sand is made up of silica or contains silica. Silica is used to make fiberglass. Breathing fiberglass dust will destroy your lungs - silicosis. Sounds like the new footing is better for running, but probably no better or worse for dust problems.

George, maybe we should design a high flow air filter for runners. Are there any rules that say you can't install a hood scoop and a filter on the nose of a runner? Of course then you have to train the high strung TB to let you stick this invention on the end of his nose . . . I bet somebody already tried this, right? None of my get rich quick schemes ever worked. :)
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RE:Interesting results 01 Oct 2006 13:01 #10

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Andrew Grimm wrote:
Ron,
Great observations. Dr. Rooney speaks on the etiology of many maladies are the result of a snapping action. Dr Rooney Quotes in the book, The Lame Horse, " Snapping of tendinious structures is a major cause of tendon lesions". I would think that one of the suspensory branches would be affected in this sitiuation. Also, the SFT could be affected.


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Since ligaments have a lot more elasticity than tendons, I wouldn't expect the "snapping" or "vibration" to be a as big a problem for ligaments as it is tendons. To my way of thinking, ligaments are more susceptable to strain (sprain) injury do to stretching beyond their limits of elasticity. The snapping and vibration energy of tendons produces heat, which breaks down tissue . . . just more of Rooney's stuff.

Although ligaments may also experience vibration/snapping the vibration would ocurr at a lower frequency due to their higher elasticity. Think of a guitar string. A steel guitar string vibrates at a given frequency when it is tuned to a specific tension. A nylon guiter string has higher elasticity, thus it stretches much more before it reaches the proper tension to produce a given frequency. In addition when a nylon string is tuned to achieve the specified frequency, it is experiencing a lot lower tension that a steel string. Although this analogy may sound backwards, it is not when you consider the amount of stretching that ocurrs in these different materials before they achieve enough tension to vibrate at a given frequency. You can stretch a ligament a lot before you cause any cellular damage. If you stretch a tendon, even a little, it ruptures.

Now go tune your guitar. :)
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RE:Interesting results 01 Oct 2006 20:57 #11

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Tom, over thirty years ago Bud Beaston was giving a clinic up here at Quarterama and the subject re; tendons having any elastisity was brought up. The statement was that they weren't elastic because it would prevent an instant response from the muscles to the lower legs, knee to foot, hock to foot, which the horse needs to have to be as atheletic as they are. As I understand it the response format is brain to muscle through tendons to hooves.
We have the same format, the difference being our brain gets in the way. :D
Regards, John
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