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WOW you need to check this out 07 Sep 2006 01:31 #1

All I can say is wow I met with Scott Lambert and Chuck Milne for breakfast to day in OKC and got a look at there new Ontrack Equine Analysis and Reporting Software. Can’t wait for my dongle to get in and get started. This program allows you to study video or still shots, x-rays, and Mir’s.
You can capture, playback and trim movies taken with your standard digital camcorder. You can then ad lines, circles, squares and measure distances, joint angles, multi-joint angles and speed. You can also import digital still pictures allowing measurement on conformation, hoof and shoe profiles, even x-rays to be performed. Images can be further compared using the overlay function.
This program has a measurement grid that shows you where the proper break over point is located you can check before and after shots wit an overlay grid. You can check out there website at www.ontrackeqine.com
This program is a must for every one in the Equine Industry who is serious about there work. I will keep you up dated on how it is helping my business.
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RE:WOW you need to check this out 07 Sep 2006 01:48 #2

How much does it cost us and what would you charge a horse owner?
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RE:WOW you need to check this out 07 Sep 2006 02:05 #3

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It ran $3900 I figure that I can charge $100 for gate annalists. In the video part of the program you can slow down to a single frame and watch the horse’s reaction and joint placement in each step pretty amassing stuff with all the line and graphs and angles you can show the owners $100 may be a little cheap I will feel out my customers and let you know how they react to the charges. Most of the horses that I see threw the clinic’s I do not believe they will have any problem justifying the charges. Sill have to figure out on sitll shots what to charge this part will be more to show balance.
What will also be great is that I will be able to post problems and have the use of thousands of eyes.
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RE:WOW you need to check this out 07 Sep 2006 02:14 #4

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It ran $3900 I figure that I can charge $100 for gate annalists. In the video part of the program you can slow down to a single frame and watch the horse’s reaction and joint placement in each step pretty amassing stuff with all the line and graphs and angles you can show the owners $100 may be a little cheap I will feel out my customers and let you know how they react to the charges. Most of the horses that I see threw the clinic’s I do not believe they will have any problem justifying the charges. Sill have to figure out on sitll shots what to charge this part will be more to show balance.
What will also be great is that I will be able to post problems and have the use of thousands of eyes.

Will be great to hear how it works out. 100.00 is pretty reasonble for that much information. We miss a lot with the eye. I find just takeing digital pictures and videos is pretty time consumeing, however the information you get from picture and videos is great stuff. I understand the program is written for older digital video cameras, is this true?

I have seen a demo before and it appears to be a great tool. Like you said, haveing the ability to send it or post it is a great tool.
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RE:WOW you need to check this out 07 Sep 2006 09:42 #5

Phil
The way I understand the program if your camcorder will transfer data to your computer it will work old or new I have a Sony handy cam will be interesting to see how it works. Scot has used both high end and the cheap one and he believes the only difference is the bells and whistles we will see. I have set up three horses to use it on Friday wont take long to start getting a return on my money. Hopefully less than four months.
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RE:WOW you need to check this out 07 Sep 2006 10:58 #6

I have seen alot of Scotts video as well, this program is pretty amazing. The stress these horse are under while being worked is hard to believe, cant wait to hear more about it from day to day farriers.
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RE:WOW you need to check this out 07 Sep 2006 11:23 #7

It looks like a lot of stress and it is amazeing, however remember when we take pictures and slow down videos we see things not possible with the naked eye and tend to over analyze because we now see things much better. I have run into that with close ups of digital pictures.
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RE:WOW you need to check this out 07 Sep 2006 11:42 #8

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Consumer digicams only produce 30 frames/second. High speed video cameras produce 250 to 2000 frames/second. At a fast canter a horse's foot swings through the air at 60ft/sec. So the consumer digicam is pretty useless for gait analysis at speed. The high speed >250 frames/sec cameras cost about $25,000.00.

For lameness evaluation ONTRACK combined with a consumer digicam is an excellent tool. I saw a demo at the ICHS. They had a video playing of a horse that was lame on the off hind. All the vets said that the horse was lame on the near fore untill they put a line across the screen at the fetlock and played the vidio in slow motion. All the farriers picked the correct leg as the off hind without slow-mo and the technology. :)
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RE:WOW you need to check this out 15 Oct 2006 04:51 #9

tbloomer wrote:
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For lameness evaluation ONTRACK combined with a consumer digicam is an excellent tool. I saw a demo at the ICHS. They had a video playing of a horse that was lame on the off hind. All the vets said that the horse was lame on the near fore untill they put a line across the screen at the fetlock and played the vidio in slow motion. All the farriers picked the correct leg as the off hind without slow-mo and the technology. :)
This sounds good, I hope you pulled their legs enough.
The hefty pricetag on the toy kills the fun somewhat though.
I have played a bit with the downloadable viewer software.
First of all, no matter what they call it, it is not a DEMO version just an interactive presentation, since you can not load other photos to 'disect'. The disabled Save function is fair enough and should be the only restriction. The Star Tool seems to be wanting to please anybody and everybody (e.g. four point, NB, etc etc.) at the same go, and therefore it is a bit confusing for the "appropriate equine professional" (quote the help .pdf file). I had trouble with moving existing lines if the 'handles' were overlapping.
Great idea, would like to try real DEMO with my own photos. So far a bit mixed emotions.
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RE:WOW you need to check this out 15 Oct 2006 08:57 #10

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tbloomer wrote:
For lameness evaluation ONTRACK combined with a consumer digicam is an excellent tool. I saw a demo at the ICHS. They had a video playing of a horse that was lame on the off hind. All the vets said that the horse was lame on the near fore untill they put a line across the screen at the fetlock and played the vidio in slow motion. All the farriers picked the correct leg as the off hind without slow-mo and the technology. :)

This was at the conference today and I must say, I picked up on the left hind lameness as well. It does seem like an interesting program but the price does make it a bit hard to get too excited about.

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RE:WOW you need to check this out 15 Oct 2006 14:16 #11

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Kaydence wrote:
This was at the conference today and I must say, I picked up on the left hind lameness as well. It does seem like an interesting program but the price does make it a bit hard to get too excited about.

Cheri
Yea, I wonder if he tells the vets that most of the farriers pick the wrong leg. :cool: The way I see it you have to justify the return on investment. Living in an area where the clinet base is more affluent and athletic events are prevalent would make for a smarter investment.
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