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RE:Shoe Board 29 Aug 2006 21:30 #16

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Smitty,
On a regular daily basis I frequently draw clips, roll the toes, rocker toes, and use pads.



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RE:Shoe Board 29 Aug 2006 21:47 #17

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J.H. shoeing wrote:
Rick

Could you explain this to me, I think I missed something.

At the certification, the tester can only require you to reproduce one modification on a shoe to fit a hoof pattern that the tester supplies., when if the shoe had only one mod with some minor questionability, you might be able to get by with it and then be asked to reproduce a shoe with that modification, for the tester. This becomes important since the overall quality of the shoe is also taken into consideration.

Thanks

I have seen Testers ask for a shoe with 2-3 modifications on it. And some only ask for 1. I wondered if they were trying to get questionable modifications cleaned up?

According to the study guide.

"Upon acceptence of the display, candidates proceed to a timed component, producing one modification on site."

Time Limit: 30 minutes.


If the tester is asking for more than one Mod he is over stepping his bonds.

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RE:Shoe Board 30 Aug 2006 03:19 #18

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One thing that's not right is what shoe the tester's want to see. Shouldn't make any difference what brand it is. It is the fit and the modification that counts. I failed in my square toe because my square toe looked like the one in Butler's II book. I was told mine was not square enough. In the next breath the tester and a CJF present told me I had made a very practical and useable shoe, but the one for the test was more a lesson in forging(getting the pointed square turn). This part kind of ****ed me off a bit. These are some of the standards I don't like.

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What part of "NO" don't you understand!!

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RE:Shoe Board 30 Aug 2006 03:45 #19

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Mikel
I agree. I have seen the same thing.

Gary
I have read the book, but have seen testers ask for things that are not in the book.


On a high note I saw, this year, that the testers where following the guidelines that were in print more closely than in the year or two before. I have only been in the AFA for a couple of years and only joined to go thru the certification process.

Since I have taken the CF test and passed I can complain with a clear conscience. I turned in my first shoe display and it had flaws that merited failing it. But the testers that looked it over went on a feeding frenzy(finding failable fault with every modification and every shoe). So I ask them what they wanted and was advised about the St. Croix lite's and 5 slims. I used the same bar shoe (with multiple modifications) and made four more shoes to finish my display and passed in an other area. Hmmm... The bar shoe (according to the previous testers) was unsatisfactory. I think that there are flaws in the testing process but I do think that they are attempting to address the problems.

You have to know how to take their test. Just like some of my college profs once I figured out how they tested I could pass their test. The AFA certs are no different.
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RE:Shoe Board 30 Aug 2006 11:21 #20

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beslagsmed wrote:
I failed in my square toe because my square toe looked like the one in Butler's II book. I was told mine was not square enough. In the next breath the tester and a CJF present told me I had made a very practical and useable shoe, but the one for the test was more a lesson in forging(getting the pointed square turn).
Well, IMNTBCHO, the tester was wrong.

Therelevent requirement as stated is: "The leading edge is straight and the lateral edges(or corners) are not excessively rounded".

I suppose one could argue over the ambiguous "excessively rounded", but even the diagram seems fairly straightforward.

As I have said before, the attitute of the testers/examiners has always seemed to be one of "What can we do to keep the candidate from passing?" rather than " How can we help the candidate be successful?"
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RE:Shoe Board 31 Aug 2006 03:04 #21

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I have to agree with Jeff,
Now I have taken the test, failed but learned what the "tester" wants to see, I can go forth and pass. But it will have to wait until I finish jumping Danish hoops. I am also learning what the "testers" want to see. Had a friend pass the Danish test this past spring. Picked his brain a lot and we do a lot of training together, so hopefully it will help.

I do like the part where the AFA puts out the task, conditions and standards, but hopefully the testers will get the subjective stuff out of their brain.

Well put also Rick, they need to think more positive than negative.

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What part of "NO" don't you understand!!

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