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Study Questions 14 Aug 2006 04:41 #1

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I have been reading alot of things. Research papers to practical advice and I would really like to get a solid understanding of mechanics when a shoe is applied, wegdes, pathologies...er...everything. Right now(lol). I'm getting a little frazzled jumping around on subjects.

If anyone could give me specific subjects to study that might help me be better prepared for school, so I might make optimal use of it; or for immediately after school in regards to taking on a few clients and being of use to a master(if/when I find one)

I guess, I'm asking what was one or two things you wish you understood a little better when you set out?
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RE:Study Questions 14 Aug 2006 04:56 #2

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Sarah,
Do you have a copy of Dr. Butlers book? It will in all likelihood be the thing they use at the school you go to.

His new edition looks good but at this point I would suggest getting a used copy of his second edition somewhere. The new one is pretty pricey and for what you need to learn the second edition I think will suffice.

Another really good thing to have which is real cheap real good is the army manual. It was an old military TM manual printed by the war department. In it's civilian version its called simply "The Horseshoer". Is informative and interesting.

These 2 things will give you a good jump on what you'll need to know.
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RE:Study Questions 14 Aug 2006 05:04 #3

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when i went to school nobody in the class knew what P3 meant or much of anything else pertaining to anatomy. i guess you cant get enough anatomy study
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RE:Study Questions 14 Aug 2006 05:17 #4

Get a gym membership. If your physical fitness & strength isn't there, you can't be under as many horses or have the focus you need. Focus on strengthening your core.
Cordell Rogers
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RE:Study Questions 14 Aug 2006 08:24 #5

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George Geist wrote:
Sarah,
Do you have a copy of Dr. Butlers book? It will in all likelihood be the thing they use at the school you go to.

His new edition looks good but at this point I would suggest getting a used copy of his second edition somewhere. The new one is pretty pricey and for what you need to learn the second edition I think will suffice.

Another really good thing to have which is real cheap real good is the army manual. It was an old military TM manual printed by the war department. In it's civilian version its called simply "The Horseshoer". Is informative and interesting.

These 2 things will give you a good jump on what you'll need to know.
George

I went out and bought the new book. I am glad I did. And you know what - it didn't even hurt. Just do it. If you are starting out, spend the money and get it. Better now than later.

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RE:Study Questions 14 Aug 2006 14:00 #6

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Knowing the anatomy is going be the basis of everything else in hoof biomechanics. So if you want a head start, learn all the parts in the lower leg, how and where each one attaches to what, and what moves what. (in otherwords, what the extensor tendon does, what the deep flexor tendon does and so on) If you understand that, then you will understand the rest a lot easier.
I don't use Butlers book in my class.
Although the anatomy and forging sections are indeed very informative, too much of the the hoof balancing and biomechanical parts have been challenged by newer research in the last ten or so years. I don't want my students getting confused by those outdated parts since I teach newer hoof prep and balancing methods, ( UST, NB) and hoof balancing is the most critical part of a correct shoeing.
The last instructor of my class (before me) used Butler's book but told the class to read the anatomy parts and forging techniques, but to ignore the rest. But that's a waste of money for the students so I use a selection of smaller more specific texts and videos. , and a lot of my own handouts. .
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RE:Study Questions 14 Aug 2006 17:45 #7

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calshoer wrote:
Knowing the anatomy is going be the basis of everything else in hoof biomechanics. So if you want a head start, learn all the parts in the lower leg, how and where each one attaches to what, and what moves what. (in otherwords, what the extensor tendon does, what the deep flexor tendon does and so on) If you understand that, then you will understand the rest a lot easier.
I don't use Butlers book in my class.
Although the anatomy and forging sections are indeed very informative, too much of the the hoof balancing and biomechanical parts have been challenged by newer research in the last ten or so years. I don't want my students getting confused by those outdated parts since I teach newer hoof prep and balancing methods, ( UST, NB) and hoof balancing is the most critical part of a correct shoeing.
The last instructor of my class (before me) used Butler's book but told the class to read the anatomy parts and forging techniques, but to ignore the rest. But that's a waste of money for the students so I use a selection of smaller more specific texts and videos. , and a lot of my own handouts. .
Patty

Patty,
Can you make some good recomendations to me on material you use? Always open minded.

Mikel
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RE:Study Questions 14 Aug 2006 20:40 #8

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When I was studing for all my tests at school, I would go through my book and write down a bunch of questions, and then write down the answers. For me, writing everything down helped it stick in my head. I had my own study guides everywhere and my husband, who is a truck driver, would take a copy with him and every night when we talked, he would quiz me. I did this for each chapter, and I think my lowest written test score was 93%. The forging tests gave me troubles, mostley the handmade shoes, but i've been trying to practice in my free time and I think (I could be wrong, but I tell myself i'm not) that i'm getting better at it. I am also studieing this way for the certification testing. You never know exactley what questions will be on the test, so I just study for everything.


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RE:Study Questions 14 Aug 2006 22:43 #9

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Ok, thanks everyone. I'll just make up some quizzes for myself. Anyone can find lots of in-depth anatomy online, so thats an easy one. Forging...I might get Butlers book for that. I have read other text on forging, and it always just leaves me with alot of questions and no one to ask right then. I'm a learn-by-doing person to a greater extent.

Is Butler's book clear and well written enough to be worth the $$ compared to other books?

Cordell- I went to the Y, but it is small and only had cardio stuff and aerobics/karate classes. I can do cardio at home and I do. I started to lift free weights and am on a diet. I'm already stronger than all the girls I know...but that doesn't say much. :o
It was an old military TM manual printed by the war department. In it's civilian version its called simply "The Horseshoer". Is informative and interesting

That does sound interesting...I'll look for it.
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RE:Study Questions 15 Aug 2006 01:28 #10

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Skinfaxi wrote:
Ok, thanks everyone. I'll just make up some quizzes for myself. Anyone can find lots of in-depth anatomy online, so thats an easy one. Forging...I might get Butlers book for that. I have read other text on forging, and it always just leaves me with alot of questions and no one to ask right then. I'm a learn-by-doing person to a greater extent.

Is Butler's book clear and well written enough to be worth the $$ compared to other books?


I found that with the forging part, no amount of reading helped me. My teacher is really great and would just keep showing me and I would keep practicing and then all of the sudden it would just click. Butlers book, I think, is great. It was also included in my tuiton for the school, check with where you're going, they may provide it, if not, they might require it.
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RE:Study Questions 15 Aug 2006 01:56 #11

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I found that with the forging part, no amount of reading helped me. My teacher is really great and would just keep showing me and I would keep practicing and then all of the sudden it would just click. Butlers book, I think, is great. It was also included in my tuiton for the school, check with where you're going, they may provide it, if not, they might require it.

It is strongly suggested reading. I'm going to buy a used copy of Principles 2. I don't think horses have evolved much in 20 years.
The school has copies there, and other material for study.
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Sara,
Where and when are you headed to school?

Mikel
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RE:Study Questions 15 Aug 2006 02:54 #13

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I'm going to Shurshod in Missouri for 4 :( weeks. I leave Sept. 24 :D
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RE:Study Questions 15 Aug 2006 03:23 #14

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I believe anatomy is crucial, otherwise you will not understand the importance of the procedures you perform on a hoof. Hopefully the school will teach it in detail. Call 800.553.2400 and get a CD of the Distal Limb. It will help you immensly. I have a recent graduate working part time that did not receive any anatomy instruction in a 6 week course, thus compromising his confidence level. Get a jump on the rest of the class and good luck.
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RE:Study Questions 15 Aug 2006 03:50 #15

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Any farrier school worth attending should provide you with the opportunity to dissect several hoof cadavers. Having a guided tour on the first dissection is very important. There is no substitute for the real thing. :)
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