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Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 05 Jul 2006 15:08 #1

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Is it profitable/possible and what are some ways to do this? My idea is 3-4 farriers two trucks Large farms all 4 farries go and then smaller farms 2 teams go to seperate farms. And i also would like to get into race horse plateing and large show barns not only in Pa where i live but also OH, VA, WV, DE, MD NY possible follow any horses we pick up to where ever they go for the winter season, shows, races. Also would possible get into brood facilities. Also one guy i have in mind along with myself are Equine Dentists (went to school) and we would offer teeth and feet. That is my idea and a dream and my mentoir always told me when it came to shoeing horses you need to know where you want to get to and i am young and full of **** and viniger and have a heck of a drive to do this work. And I am really into conintuing my farrier education and certification. So my question is to anyone who owns a multi-farrier company and also you weathered farriers out there who have good advice but will not give it unless asked so i am asking. Do you think something like this could work and also if you are in those states that i had mentioned maybe you could give me some insight on prospects in those states. Thank you all and keep'um upright.

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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 05 Jul 2006 15:52 #2

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There's a fellow I know in the MFA that owns a multi farrier business. His name is Tom Parris. He's on the AFA site. He'd probabley be happy to help you with the ins and outs. He's a preacher but don't let him fool ya. From what I hear he was pretty onry back in the day.


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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 05 Jul 2006 16:20 #3

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Cody,
Sounds like a plan. Chester County Farrier Associates is a successful multi-farrier business in Pennsylvania. Obviously there would be differences to doing business that way than as a sole proprietor. I'm sure some of our business experts like Brian, Cordell, or others could give details about that.

For Equine Dentistry you'll need to check the laws of wherever you want to operate. The Pennsylvania vet practice law has made that impossible to do outside of the direct supervision or employment of a veterinarian. Penalties are quite harsh. Horse Dentists have been arrested and fined $1000 per occurrence. The saddest part of this has been that the ones being reported to authorities are often being reported by those former colleagues who are no longer working.

For Race Horses although you can certainly do whatever you want out on the farms I dont see such a scenario happening on race tracks. There are many more hoops to jump through in order to get in to work including licensing, testing, and in many places Union membership.

Thoroughbred trainers will employ a horseshoer to take care of his or her string of horses. They will expect that same one there all the time for them or they'll simply get one that will. It is for this reason that most guys either work at the track or they dont. Is very difficult to do both.

Standardbred Horseshoers work a little differently. With them more than one guy can split the work of an outfit but those guys work out of shops with horses brought to them instead of running from stall to stall like a TB plater does.

Shops are doled out by either the racing secretary or the stall man as they become available which often can take till somebody dies. They will not let more guys in than they have shops for but sometimes guys have been known to share shops especially in the case of apprentices.

So you see the logistics or doing racehorses can get a little more complicated than most guys are used to. I'm not really trying to throw cold water on what you want to do because I do wish you well and hope you're successful but just think you need to examine what you're up against.
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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 05 Jul 2006 18:07 #4

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Thanks Guys i have contacted a few people that you sugested and gorge if you are in grantville Pa you are not far from me abour 15-20 min
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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 05 Jul 2006 22:46 #5

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Cool, come say hello sometime if your around the neighborhood. Im dividing my time between here and Boston lately but I have no plans to get rid of my place in Grantville.

I'd like to second what was said about Tom Parris. He is a class act all the way and reputed to be one of the best men to work for anywhere.
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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 24 Jul 2006 14:49 #6

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Here is a great artical about starting and managing a multi-farrier business.

http://www.harrypatton.com/images/DeLeonardo.pdf?PHPSESSID=15d8a6a1562e8c9e20ed4971800ab981

Best of luck,
Josh
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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 26 Jul 2006 00:59 #7

I started out in one, had one myself for a while.

There is a whole set of problems you have in a multi that you don't have in sole. You will spend more time on management and paper work also.

However with that said, I like it when I work when just starting out and I like the one I had. Nice once you get things going.
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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 26 Jul 2006 01:52 #8

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This isn't a new idea. When I was a young pup still dreaming of a career in horses, (I'm 58 now) John and Joe Kritz had a multi business. I lost count of how many farriers got a kick start by working for them throughout Conn.,Mass.,Rhode Island etc. They had crews going everywhere.
Not to mention all the Budweiser Clydes and other drafts the family made a name shoeing.
They did jumpers, quarter horses and lots others. Tim Keller in Ct. started out with them when I was a young pup.

This goes back to the 60's.
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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 26 Jul 2006 05:20 #9

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vthorseshoe wrote:
Tim Keller in Ct. started out with them when I was a young pup.

Mett him a few times, seems like a nice guy.
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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 26 Jul 2006 11:33 #10

vthorseshoe wrote:
This isn't a new idea. When I was a young pup still dreaming of a career in horses, (I'm 58 now) John and Joe Kritz had a multi business. I lost count of how many farriers got a kick start by working for them throughout Conn.,Mass.,Rhode Island etc. They had crews going everywhere.
Not to mention all the Budweiser Clydes and other drafts the family made a name shoeing.
They did jumpers, quarter horses and lots others. Tim Keller in Ct. started out with them when I was a young pup.

This goes back to the 60's.

Now your making us tell our ages.

Yes it was in the mid 60's. Even before that. Saddler who I worked for, work for Jess Wallace who had a multi shop in the 30's, 40's and 50's. My grandfather (AKA Slick Miller) started out in a multi shop in Speed, Mo. Then had his own shop there, gave up the horse in the 20's and went to working on Horseless carriages. So I would think that the multi shop has been around since the Mayflower arrive.

I have retired from the main stream of shoeing for other people.

But I now have two draft teams, a light team, string of dude horses, and my personal horses I trim and shoe. The only problem is I don't get paid to do theses.
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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 27 Jul 2006 01:54 #11

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Nice to see you posting again Ray :)
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RE:Questions on Starting a Multi-Farrier Business 27 Jul 2006 02:32 #12

vthorseshoe wrote:
Nice to see you posting again Ray :)


Your welcome. Just a short stop by. I do stop by and read the post once in a while.

I am and have been way to busy. I should have kept shoeing, I was not working near as hard as I am now. Five more years and I am going to pull the plug on all of it. The Wife and I will then spend the summers up in my old stomping gournds around Glaicier Park, Mt. then head south to my other old stomping grounds around Tucson.

I told my business manager and foreman all I want to see is a check mailed to where ever I am at every 30 days when the time comes.

Barron and the rest of you all, thanks for letting me visit. Be back again some day for a short visit.
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