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RE:young farrier 11 Jan 2005 15:43 #16

didn't say I was the only who could balance a foot in Tennessee. Said I hadn't seen anyone who I could pass my clientele along to who could. I worked with one farrier, about 12 years ago here at a h/j barn and he could (he's moved on to other pleasures)..and know of one other who can, when he wants to and isn't spending all his time (and the client's money) expounding on his greatness..but remember, for those of you who are NOT familiar with Tennessee, this is the land of the big lick walking horse..and for those of you who have NOT seen what is done to them in the name of 'showing', it's worth a trip just to see it. will sicken and amaze you. and that post about the owner never having seen a foot stand, very very realistic..the native TEnnesseans have their own way of doing things with their pleasure horses as well, and many many of them have their horses done by part timers, by Mennonites who do the horse in 18 mn and charge $30...etc...and most of the horses I see have had the shoes put on (almost always too small) and then the hoof ground off to fit the shoe, sometimes with a power grinder. they habitually put heel corks on the front of these poor things and have a habit of loving to ride on pavement as long and as fast as these horses can 'rack on'..we see alot of 'road founder', quarter cracks, crushed heels, corns, etc...so I can safely say that in the 14 years I have lived here, besides the two I mentioned above, I have not seen the work of a farrier who I could recommend It's sad, but true for THIS area..When wife and I had our training barn, we trained and sold a LOT of horses, often consignments, we sold over 400 horses in 14 years, and truthfully, NOT ONE of these horses came to me either correctly trimmed or shod. Being from Ca. I was suitably shocked at first, then I just came to expect it. .I am sure there is a good, young up coming farrier out there, I just haven't been able to locate one..so hence my comment about the young man described in the post, as he sounded like someone I would like to see work. Example, had a long yearling Andulsian/TB cross come here last summer for some 'good citizenship" training (that my wife does when pressured by someone with a horse she likes), and we were horrifed. The colt got off the trailer stumbling, whoever was trimming him had him stood up over 70 degrees, he was starting to knuckle over, and had him toed out to boot. when I asked who was doing the colt, I was stunned to hear a farrier's name than I had thought did a 'fair' job and was a full timer. the owner was nearly in tears, as the colt was sore all the time, had said she knew 'something' wasn't right, but that the farrier had said he 'was stumped' at this colt's 'problems' and didn't know how to trim him to get him NOT to toe out, and didn't see much wrong with his steep angle so just kept taking more toe off....he nearly crippled this colt and I was astonished. Within two trimmings, we had the colt down under 60 degrees, and altho conformationally he wanted to toe out a bit, were able to turn him back at least to where his conformation really didn't allow anymore. Even her vet, an 'equine' specialist, hadn't been able to advise her...so we are in need in this area of skilled farriers, believe me..And I am sure there are good farriers in Tennessee, as I am obviously not everywhere all the time..I would love to have one contact me in this area so I could recommend them to my clients..I am very exact about my expectations, my clients appreciate my skill (no brag, but I better to be good after 45 years) and they trust me, they like the way I handle their horses with kindness, I don't overcharge them, and so they deserve to have someone they can trust to take good care of their horses..there are alot more people with horses today that are not really 'horsepeople' than when I started...so it's important to me to be able to hold their hands a bit, walk them thru some problems and to be here if they need me. so it's been hard to find someone who is willing to fit this bill...may never find someone......and I LOVE to golf, took it up as rehab for a blown out knee from playing polo many years ago , just don't get to play enough...will never miss the shoeing because I cannot seem to get below 15 head of my own horses..........ak
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RE:young farrier 02 Feb 2005 15:01 #17

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I have to agree with Donnie, if it's the last thing you do as his mom keep your thumb on him to get his BS.
Sorry he's going to Purcell, but hopefuly he'll find someone to help him once he gets out of school. Actually he's got a good shot at making a farrier, but he's got to Get that BS degree. We all have only so many horses in us, when he's 50 and worn out he'll thank your for pushing him.
P.S. you can do well in this business, but you won't get rich.
Hello. I am new to this, so bare with me.... hahaha... You said "sorry he is going to Purcell" . I live in Oklahoma and was thinking about going to The Oklahoma Horseshoeing School in Purcell. And I am also 48 years old. If you could expound a little more on what you meant by both. Thanks a lot Randy
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RE:young farrier 02 Feb 2005 15:19 #18

Randy I went there almost 2 years ago and if I had known then what I know now my personal choice would have been Heartland Horseshoeing school w/ Chris Gregory or Kentucky Horseshoeing school w/ Mitch Taylor. Also Oklahoma State Horseshoeing school w/ Reggie Kester in Ardmore is another good school I have heard. They use alot of student instructors instead of more long term experienced instructors @ OHS. This is just my personal opinion but if I had to do it all over again then I would not go there.

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RE:young farrier 02 Feb 2005 21:27 #19

Thanks Chris.. I wanted honest insight. I went to all three of the web sites you talked about. Kentucky seems to be a good one that I liked. I am not saying that the others are not. Like I said, I am new to this and want to be the best I can be. I was also wondering about my age of 48. And the long term it would have on me. I know that after 16 to 24 weeks I, nor anyone else will be the best farrier in the world. But I want to make it this something I do the rest of my working life. So I want to get all the information I can. And I like this web site a lot so far. You guys are honest and not afraid to give out information to others. It is nice to see there are people in the business world that want to have their industry to be good and to have good people doing good work. I know I am not to old to learn, but I dont want to fool myself. Know all to well that I need to be under someone even after I get out of a school and to keep learning.. I am in a pretty good spot in my life now as far as doing a new career. Sure it will be hard , but I have done hard things all my life.. hahaha.. But really Chris, thanks for talking with me and helping out.
Randy
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RE:young farrier 02 Feb 2005 22:42 #20

great choice i felt the same and still do i love shoeing horses. I went to Oklahoma Horseshoeing school 2 yrs ago you've got to make the most of it there yourself don't just go shoe 1 2 3 hoofs and quit get in the forge and make those shoes i made 14 different to pass journeyman 2 test and was going to be a student instructor i was already teaching other students how to make fronts and hinds better than head instuctors but i practiced sometimes untill 4 5 next morning but i loved it pucell is what you make of it it will teach you the basics go out with head instuctors and shoe with them Mike
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RE:young farrier 04 Feb 2005 03:30 #21

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Randy,
I know how you feel. I am 43 trying to get into the business. Iam doing the carrer change sorta backwards. On my off days from the main income source
i am riding with a local farrier. He has a great business and a great reputation.
I started riding with him for the first time yesterday. That was after a phone call whith me and a reference from people that he already shoes for.
I started out my day at 6am he picked me up and we drove for 45 minutes to the clients house. There was 4 animals to be done A large draft horse trim and reset, a pony to trim, a thrbred trim and reset front only, and a mule a trrim there.
He took his time and shown me the way to remove the drafts shoes 1 leg, then instructed me and 1 leg, then i did the other two removals .
at that time he was trimimng the pony . when i got done he told me to clean up the drafts shoes and while he was trimmed the pony he was starting on the horseand had the front trimmed and was showing me as well. He started the shoeing after shaping the shoe and asked me if i had ever driven a nail. My answer was no hw let me drive the last nail, a little ego booster. he took his time and showed me how he wanted the finsh work.i got to finish the horse's shod feet . we then went to a place with 9 trims. he did most of the work while i cleaned the feet getting ready for him. he was very patient with me and instruction included asking me questions about anatomy. went to another place he did 2 front resets and told me to watch only because of a fussy owner.
I will be riding with him every week for as long as i want :)
Point of long post there are farrier out there that will help ya
i am interested in ok state as well , probably next year attending in the spring if this year my internship goes right.
redd
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RE:young farrier 04 Feb 2005 05:25 #22

Redd.. Thanks for the information. I am in the same boat as you are. I sold my custom metal fabrication business. So I do have the time to go for this if I can do it at 48 and take the time to do it the right way and be good at it. I also e mailed you.
Randy
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RE:young farrier 04 Feb 2005 15:11 #23

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What is this all us old guys getting our second childhood/career. I am also 43 recenty retired from the USAF after 21 years. I just finished my shoeing class last night. Will be attending as many clinics as I can as well as riding with a local farrier.

Going to my first clinic this weekend it a pre certification clinic. I will only be an observer but I have learned that there is alot to learned while observing and my instructor will be there helping out and answering any questions.

I'm really excited and choping at the bit to get going good.

Gary
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RE:young farrier 04 Feb 2005 18:49 #24

Funny thing to, us old guys here. This thread is under "young farrier" How'd we end up here talking.. lol I guess we take what we can when we are in the learning mode.. Randy
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RE:young farrier 04 Feb 2005 23:59 #25

I know it, :D. One of my clients is 80 and trims his own in the winter, has about 4 to 6 Haflingers, there not easy to trim either, calls me when they need shoes and when he needs his stud trimmed. I love the guy, gives me something to look forward to. We don't get older just better.
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RE:young farrier 05 Feb 2005 03:07 #26

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gary, where did you go to school? how what and where a little about your school and CONGRATULATIONS :D
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RE:young farrier 10 Feb 2005 19:46 #27

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Redd, I took a shoeing class from the local community college. It was designed mostly for the horse owner to learn to shoe. But was taught by a highly respected AFA CJF who took the extra time to help those who may want to be farriers learn other things llike forge work.
We started out triming on 4" ABS pipe. this was helpful in learning how to obtain balance and angle. we spent a week on this, then we moved on to trimming hooves under his suppervision, we did a hoof a night sometimes two we did this for about two weeks. Then moved on to shoeing for the remander of the class.
I learned alot in this class. The instructor was great and because his local he is available for idvice or help when needed.
The Sat after class I attended a pre certification clinc as an observer. It was really great and I learn things I had not learned in class with using the forge and shaping your tools. As well as meeting other farriers in the area. I plan on attending the certification in April so I can see and learn more.
What are my plans now?
To continue learning by hitting the books.
Get the equipment requred so I can practice making shaping shoes and making may own to develope my forging and shaping skills. I also plan on starting my shoe board so it will be perfict when time comes to certify.
I have joined the AFA and local Chapter so I can get all the good informatiion provided there.
I'm arranging to ride with a good well establlished farrier who went through the same class I did 20 years ago and learned the sameway I'm. This will help as he can help point me in the right direction.
Attend any and all clincs I can within a days drive.
And hopefully start working up my own cleint base.
There's allot to do but it will be fun while I'm learning and worth it when I feel comfortable enough to call myself a Farrier.

Gary
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RE:young farrier 11 Feb 2005 05:27 #28

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hey Gary, on the 4" pipe did ya'll just use a rasp on the pipe or was it filled with something to create a "sole"?
I wish i had the night school, I am riding with a farrier on wednesdays.
I have removed shoes and been the errand boy. But he did let me drive A nail and after the fourth ride i have been able to finish two sets of front feet. I am fortunate to have a good farrier that has alot of business.
Redd
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RE:young farrier 11 Feb 2005 07:14 #29

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Yeah guys this thread is a trip I also am 47 just starting out.God i have had so many careers that i thought was the end.Always had a love affair with horses read every book i could growing up,painted pictures of horse,even wrote a song (actually a couple)for private amusement only.Took riding lessons etc.Finally after doing other work decided to try horses again.Remembered why it is a good space for my head there is lot of room to grow.Enjoy relearning,from the outside it doesnt seem like much but is that ever an illlusion.I am one of those dreaded NB types but it is working for me.We still worship at the doug butler altar but i always obsess with building a better mousetrap.anything that stays stagnant dies or comes back as oil.I still know the addage that "new and improved doesnt always beat tried and true" am i too old to try rodeo? ya just never know :) nice reading everyones posts peace
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RE:young farrier 11 Feb 2005 13:43 #30

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Redd, With the pipe we start my making a point on the pipe that represented the hill area of the foot. This was done by taking the nippeers and nipping a notch (the witdth of your nippers) straight back into the pipe (lengthway as if you was going to open up the pipe). this point is only to establish a refrence point for M/L balance. You don't have to go far with this only about and inch but will have to keep reestablishing the notch as you trim away the pipe.
We then would hold the pipe between our Knees and using our nippers trim the pipe to the proper angle (somewhere between 52-56 degrees). Then using our rasp we would rasp the edge of the pipe flat working on balance. We did everything you would do if finshing a hoof. We used a hoof gauge to check for flatness and angle. You need to get one of the good alunimun gauges that you read the angle from the bottom of the foot. The cheap brass ones are to flimsy don't work, and the angle is not as acurate with them.
We didn't fill the pipe with anything. The idea was to help you use your tools and establish proper angle and balance. It does help if you can learn you back to a wall to stablize the pipe. I also shaped a shoe to the pipe and tried to nail it on but the pipe was to tough and bent the nail. But the shaping exersice was great.
We beat up alot of shoes just getting the basic hide and front patterns down, with shoe flatness. A peace of flate 1/8" thick peace of alunimun plate was helpful in checking flatness.
We called our pipe Blacky and Blacky has lots of feet. start with aboout a four foot lenght of pipe and trim it down until you get to where you can't work it good anymore, when you have a good trim take you nippers to one side mess it up by trimming some pipe away and start all over.


I talked to my menter last night and am all set to start riding as much as I would like this summer once I'm done with my other college courses. I'm working on a drafting degree which I plan to do nothing with since I plan to shoe horse's. But you nice tax payers gave me a GI Bill to get an education and after 21 years in the USAF who am I to disapoint you all by not using it.
Thanks


Have fun
Gary
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