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TOPIC: Taxes......

Taxes...... 28 Feb 2006 19:53 #1

Ok everyone.... I'm in Oregon so I do not have to deal with sales taxes..... (just death) but the rest you in the US do.

Do you collect sales tax on your services and a seperate sales tax on goods? Guess it depends what state you are in..

Example: You shoe a horse for $130 bucks, sell the client 4 bottles of Thrusbuster for $45 bucks. For a total bill of $175...before tax. Is their a tax rate for the "Service" Shoe and a seperate tax rate for the "Product" Thrusbuster?

Please reply to my email below or post reply here.....

Thanks in advance.

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RE:Taxes...... 28 Feb 2006 20:18 #2

Douglas_Armstrong wrote:
Ok everyone.... I'm in Oregon so I do not have to deal with sales taxes..... (just death) but the rest you in the US do.
Your property taxes are much higher than in AZ.Douglas_Armstrong wrote:
Do you collect sales tax on your services and a seperate sales tax on goods?
Sales tax (transaction privilege tax) is assessed on goods - not services.Douglas_Armstrong wrote:
Example: You shoe a horse for $130 bucks, sell the client 4 bottles of Thrusbuster for $45 bucks. For a total bill of $175...before tax. Is their a tax rate for the "Service" Shoe and a seperate tax rate for the "Product" Thrusbuster?
$130 is for labor, which is exempt from sales tax. Let's use a 10% sales tax rate for the thrushbuster.

$130.00 shoeing service
$ 45.00 thrushbuster
$ 4.50 sales tax
$179.50

Sales tax only needs to be paid once on a particular product. Therefore, if you pay sales tax when your supplier rings you up, you don't have to worry about charging sales tax to your customers (& then remitting that tax to the state & city). You only need to charge sales tax if you tell your supplier that you are exempt from sales tax because you will be re-selling the products in the normal course of business.

If the products are consumed in your business - or if you are the end user of the products, then you must pay the sales tax to your supplier. For example, your nippers & hammers are not resold to your customers - you are the customer for those goods. You can't tell your supplier not to charge you sales tax on those items.

If you tell your customers that the shoes belong to you and that you are only billing them for your labor, then you need to pay sales tax to your supplier because you are not re-selling the shoes in your business, you are consuming them.

Hope this helps and doesn't cause additional confusion.
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RE:Taxes...... 28 Feb 2006 20:37 #3

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I don't charge sales tax as I all ready paid (and paid, and paid, and paid) here in California when I bought the suplies. The gray area is aluminium and hand mades as they cost more and I pass that along as they are harder to put on.
As the disscusion is on taxes what dose everyone think of the Fair Tax idea?
fairtax.org/
Bill

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RE:Taxes...... 28 Feb 2006 21:00 #4

I've heard others speak of such a plan before and would welcome it.
Even better is a flat tax that the taxpayer decides what he wishes to support. Even a combination of the two.


Cordell, I really appreciate your contributions to this board.
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RE:Taxes...... 28 Feb 2006 21:34 #5

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Bill Adams wrote:
I don't charge sales tax as I all ready paid (and paid, and paid, and paid) here in California when I bought the suplies. The gray area is aluminium and hand mades as they cost more and I pass that along as they are harder to put on.
Bill,

While the aluminum shoes cost you more, you paid sales tax on them when you purchased them from your supplier. The additional amount you mark up the cost of your service to install these shoes is not, currently, taxable. Same goes for handmades. You aren't charging extra for the materials(on which you have already paid sales tax), rather, you are charging for your labor.

You make that very case when you state "as they are harder to put on." Thats about labor, not materials.
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RE:Taxes...... 28 Feb 2006 21:52 #6

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Yah, yah thats what I meant! Thank you your honor! Now you say; "Case dismised!"
Big grin, Bill

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RE:Taxes...... 01 Mar 2006 02:57 #7

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Bill Adams wrote:
As the disscusion is on taxes what dose everyone think of the Fair Tax idea?
fairtax.org/
Bill

I think the Fair Tax makes a lot of sense and would benefit everyone.....now if the politicians could just get their heads out of their as,ses and vote it into law ....... of course when was the last time they voted to take away the power for THEM to raise taxes ?....bureaucratic BS for the good of no one

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RE:Taxes...... 23 Mar 2006 04:32 #8

What if I buy my supplies and products in a state that doesnt have sales tax and sell my services and products in another state that has sales tax? :confused:
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RE:Taxes...... 23 Mar 2006 06:12 #9

Phil Strange wrote:
What if I buy my supplies and products in a state that doesnt have sales tax and sell my services and products in another state that has sales tax? :confused:
In that case, you pay use tax (instead of sales tax) in the state where you use the products.

Usually, you run into use tax issues if you buy from out-of-state catalogs or online and have stuff shipped to you. The burden is on you to report these purchases and pay the use taxes. It is very difficult for the states to enforce.

If you are purchasing the supplies to re-sell to your customers, then you would either charge them sales tax on top of your bill or factor sales tax (imputed in your total bill) and remit that to the state where you sold the goods.
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RE:Taxes...... 23 Mar 2006 07:15 #10

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In that case, you pay use tax (instead of sales tax) in the state where you use the products.

Usually, you run into use tax issues if you buy from out-of-state catalogs or online and have stuff shipped to you. The burden is on you to report these purchases and pay the use taxes. It is very difficult for the states to enforce.

If you are purchasing the supplies to re-sell to your customers, then you would either charge them sales tax on top of your bill or factor sales tax (imputed in your total bill) and remit that to the state where you sold the goods.


Thanks for the information Cordell :D Ive often wondered about that, im gearing up to start selling a few products in a state where there is sales tax. I live in a state where there is no sales tax.

How manny of you sell products to your cutomers?
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RE:Taxes...... 25 Mar 2006 16:47 #11

Phil, what state are you in??

I'm in Oregon (orygun) and we do not have a sales tax either, although they have tried to pass a sales tax through our inititive process which has been voted down 9 straight times...

I sell the occasional bottle of thrush buster and such, but will be stocking a full hoof care product line in the truck later this year, once I have my service body done and installed...

Doug
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RE:Taxes...... 26 Mar 2006 05:09 #12

Douglas_Armstrong wrote:
Phil, what state are you in??

I'm in Oregon (orygun) and we do not have a sales tax either, although they have tried to pass a sales tax through our inititive process which has been voted down 9 straight times...

I sell the occasional bottle of thrush buster and such, but will be stocking a full hoof care product line in the truck later this year, once I have my service body done and installed...

Doug

Doug,
Im in Oreeeeeeegon as well. What do you think you'll carry For products? I was thinking about starting with the Hoof Power. Seems to me a good product and its geared so we as farriers can make a little money off of it. What type of body are you going with?
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RE:Taxes...... 27 Mar 2006 03:52 #13

I got my hands on an old 1969 "Servis" service body... Right now its in two separate sections and sandblasted....

Planning on having Pro-Tech make me up two custom full length rail boxes for shoes and such... I'm also going to build hidden tools boxes under the bed of the body for general automotive stuff....

Planning on carrying the general hoof care supplements, thrush buster type products etc..

What part of Oregon are you in????? I"m located about 6 miles south of Timber in the Northwest Coast range..


Doug
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RE:Taxes...... 27 Mar 2006 05:19 #14

Douglas_Armstrong wrote:
I got my hands on an old 1969 "Servis" service body... Right now its in two separate sections and sandblasted....

Planning on having Pro-Tech make me up two custom full length rail boxes for shoes and such... I'm also going to build hidden tools boxes under the bed of the body for general automotive stuff....

Planning on carrying the general hoof care supplements, thrush buster type products etc..

What part of Oregon are you in????? I"m located about 6 miles south of Timber in the Northwest Coast range..


Doug



Doug Im East of you In the Big Town of Banks
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RE:Taxes...... 27 Mar 2006 16:26 #15

Banks, Oregon.. Too funny ...My kids go banks schools.

Well you've seen me drive through town then.. Maybe we should meet sometime at the Brown Derby for a cup of coffee...

Pick up a copy of the Vernonia Independent and look in the service directory, there you will my my ad and my phone numbers...

Doug
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