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newcomer--any advice? 22 Feb 2006 19:47 #1

Hello! I hope I am not presuming too much by posting here, as I am not yet a farrier, but a prospective student (school is in a few months). It just made more sense to go to the source, so to speak. :)

My question is, is it the 'usual' way to apprentice under someone, or is that a luxury?? 10 weeks (the duration of the school I'm going to attend) seems precious little time to learn what you need to know. And how would you all react if a stranger cold-called you, asking to learn from you?? Is that just plain wierd? :rolleyes: And worse, is it out of line, since prospective farriers are also prospective competition??

Just wondered what everyone's thoughts were on the subject, thanks.

Sandy

(p.s.--this is an edit, been doing a little more reading elsewhere on this site and have discovered this is old ground, much-covered, and that apprentices seem to have a bad name for expecting too much--yep I'm new, and it's pretty obvious I know/but I'm so willing to work I can't stand it. :) )
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RE:newcomer--any advice? 22 Feb 2006 23:09 #2

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When you get out of school you will probably (maybe) know enough to be an Apprentice. How you work your apprenticeship or what you want out of your business will dictate how, where, and who you apprentice under.

Everyone has a different opinion on how they would apprentice if they were in that position again. Sit down with a successful Farrier and talk to them about what you want out of your business, where you intend to live and have a business, and what kinds of horses you will work on.

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RE:newcomer--any advice? 22 Feb 2006 23:22 #3

thanks Jeff for the input.

Thought I'd add a partial explanation for my ignorance--I currently work for an electrician, and an "apprentice" in that trade is something entirely different--a very specific union job title, not just a name for someone who's learning from someone else. It's regulated and also has to come before one can be a journeyman. I wasn't sure if the same was true in the horseshoeing industry, or not...it sounds not, like you're lucky to apprentice under someone, which is what I meant by it being a luxury.

My grandfather was a working cowboy and a farrier, and he never would have used the word "apprentice" to describe how he learned (even though I'm sure he owed just such a debt to somebody)--I thought maybe it was something new--sorry folks for ****** a** questions like the ones above, and all the future ones you'll probably get from me. I don't know any farriers to consult, which is why I'm here--Grandpa's been gone for many years now. I'll just keep listening in and learning from your forums. :)
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RE:newcomer--any advice? 24 Feb 2006 02:30 #4

What school are you going to? What part of Washington are you in?
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RE:newcomer--any advice? 24 Feb 2006 12:12 #5

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Sandy,
While the JHU is the only organization I know of that still offers formal structured apprenticeships, most other ones you will find will be pretty informal at best.

I think the best thing you can do at this stage of your learning is to try to make sure you get with somebody who will really teach you things and not just use you for slave labor. It might take several tries but eventually you will land with the right one.
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RE:newcomer--any advice? 24 Feb 2006 13:55 #6

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George Geist wrote:
While the JHU is the only organization I know of that still offers formal structured apprenticeships, most other ones you will find will be pretty informal at best.
George, could you please elaberate on this. I would like more information on the JHU's formal structured apprenticeships.


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RE:newcomer--any advice? 24 Feb 2006 14:08 #7

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Gary,
Apprenticeships last up to a maximum of 5 years. During that time apprentices are paid. Wages are negotiated and agreed upon by the master and his or her apprentice but they cannot be any less than the prevailing minimum wage. If a member tries to get away without paying an apprentice, the apprentice can complain to the union and the union will stand behind the apprentice on that.

If after 5 years time an apprentice still cant pass his or her journeymens test, the union will penalize his or her master by not allowing them to train any more apprentices for a 5 year period after that.

These rules ensure that they get paid and taught. Understand that 5 years is the maximum. Most apprentices are ready for their tests much sooner than that.
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RE:newcomer--any advice? 24 Feb 2006 15:57 #8

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How does one go about applying for an apprenticeship?

Gary
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RE:newcomer--any advice? 24 Feb 2006 22:13 #9

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I would find a farrier who has the type of business you would most like to have, such as a hunter- jumper specialist or a reining horse farrier and ask to work with him or her. Good farriers are generally not afraid of competition, and if you prove yourself they will most likely funnel overflow work your way and also protect you from the less attactive accounts that always seem to find the new guy. If you find yourself shoeing your own accounts and run into something that seems to be over your head a good mentor might meet you there to help decide what to do or to evaluate your work. Since I have been shoeing I have seem some young upstarts get out of school, develop a working relationship with a skilled farrier and have built a business in 5 years that would take 15 years on their own.
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RE:newcomer--any advice? 24 Feb 2006 23:24 #10

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Gary,
I would suppose by hooking up with somebody who was a member that wanted to train an apprentice. The master would then do the necessary paperwork for it to be an approved apprenticeship.

When Tom Trosin gets back maybe we could have him ask his father who I'm sure is more familiar with all the details of this than I am.
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RE:newcomer--any advice? 25 Feb 2006 04:06 #11

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How would one go about finding a member of the JHU?

Do you know where I can go for further information on the JHU apprenticeships? I would like details.


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RE:newcomer--any advice? 06 Mar 2006 20:54 #12

Hey horseshoer123,
I'm in Grand Mound, about an hour north of Portland. I'm going to Mission Farrier School--in May if our house sells by then, in September if not. :)
Thanks
Sandy
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