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Re: CJF preparation 02 Jul 2012 22:38 #31

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Smitty - It's very doubtful he would be allowed to nail that shoe on. Given the errors you pointed out, more often than not the testee will run out of time before he's ready to nail anyway.
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Re: CJF preparation 03 Jul 2012 01:51 #32

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Your right on both accounts. But I'll work hard and I'll make it. I appreciate positive input and will continue to pick your brains as long as you allow me. Thanks for the advice. I'll post some progress for you all to pick apart tomorrow evening.
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Re: CJF preparation 05 Jul 2012 03:14 #33

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I made a Bar Shoe for time and a 3 heat front. Went 10 minutes over on the Bar Shoe and it took me 6 heats on the front. I realized I need to be more patient and wait for the heat I need.
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Re: CJF preparation 05 Jul 2012 11:24 #34

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Derek you might want to hold your stamp perpendicular to you.

Think heat management during your heats. When you're bumping the toe, at a certain heat you know you need to start turning your toe. It makes no sense to bring your shoe out of the fire if you are already at turning heat and never got up to bumping heat. Same thing goes for your heels. Get what you can get done with your heel and when the heat is at a certain point you need to move on to turning your branch and stamping your shoe.

It won't take long before you can get more in a heat.
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Re: CJF preparation 05 Jul 2012 17:47 #35

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the secret before you start to practice shoemaking to a set time is to get everything warmed up . make a couple of sets first , a warm anvil gives you a lot more time when working hot steel
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Re: CJF preparation 06 Jul 2012 04:54 #36

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I keep a hunk of metal in my forge specifically for preheating my anvil. It helps a bunch!
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Re: CJF preparation 06 Jul 2012 12:23 #37

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I was practicing last night and I was heating my bar shoe and a front. I had made my bar shoe and marked my creasing put it back in the forge. I pulled out my front and worked on it until my heat was gone. Went to retrieve the bar shoe the weld separated. Was I wrong in thinking I had a really good weld or did it separate from the heat and time sitting in the forge?
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Re: CJF preparation 06 Jul 2012 12:48 #38

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sorry Derek it was not welded
common sense is not needed when you have rules
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Re: CJF preparation 06 Jul 2012 12:55 #39

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Agree with Chris.
Jack Evers CJF AFA#426

The best things about the good old days -- I wasn't good and I wasn't old.

The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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Re: CJF preparation 06 Jul 2012 13:52 #40

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Thanks! I think I know what I did.
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Re: CJF preparation 06 Jul 2012 15:36 #41

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A technique I've know people to use (I didn't)that could help is to start two bar shoes. One a little small (it can be stretched), One a little large. It keeps you from snatching the shoe out a bit early and you can decide which one you want to finish.
Jack Evers CJF AFA#426

The best things about the good old days -- I wasn't good and I wasn't old.

The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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Re: CJF preparation 06 Jul 2012 18:24 #42

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when making shoes and 1 is a bar shoe the welding process takes priority , even if it takes several heats , once the welding process starts dont leave that shoe until the weld is complete
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Re: CJF preparation 07 Jul 2012 00:51 #43

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Rachael- those old houses will eat up your time. We have 2 of them, lol. Wife wants me home for a week after the baby, so I may get some practice in if I get outside before it tops 100 deg.

When building shoes in the field at the horse, I'll cut steel before trimming the last foot. That way, about the time I finish the foot, I can start building the shoes. It depends on your tester, but you may (or may not) be allowed to put your steel in the fire while the feet are being graded. Dont be afraid to let your steel get hot. 30 seconds in the fire may give you a few minutes at the anvil.
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Re: CJF preparation 07 Jul 2012 01:05 #44

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Eric Russell wrote:
Derek you might want to hold your stamp perpendicular to you.

Think heat management during your heats. When you're bumping the toe, at a certain heat you know you need to start turning your toe. It makes no sense to bring your shoe out of the fire if you are already at turning heat and never got up to bumping heat. Same thing goes for your heels. Get what you can get done with your heel and when the heat is at a certain point you need to move on to turning your branch and stamping your shoe.

It won't take long before you can get more in a heat.

Thanks Eric... I faired a little better today with my heats. I built the bar shoe and the front at the same time but made sure I completed the front in 4 heats. Thus the unfinished heels. I'm getting the feel of how to hold the Stamp head and the Fuller as I work them. I ran into a few problems that I need to figure out. I got so sweaty that all of my tools were hard to hold onto. I'm thinking cloth sports tape on my handles? I'm not as peakie at the toe but my branches get bent when I'm making my clip.
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Re: CJF preparation 07 Jul 2012 02:04 #45

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Front is looking better. Forget the bar and start making a pair of fronts in 4 heats.

I don't know if you know what you're looking for in a shoe or not. You need to be able to critique your own work but you can't if you don't know what you're looking for. If you don't know what you're looking for just let the guys here know and I'm sure you'll find some help.

Draw a line down the center of you stock at the heel. Make the point of your heel there. When you draw a line you will see you're is way on the outside of the stock. You won't be able to fit the shoe, for the test, where it is.

At some point you will have to pay attention to your nails but for now getting used to forging might be the way to go, IMO.
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