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TOPIC: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12

Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 10:32 #16

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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 10:52 #17

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Travis Morgan wrote:
BTW, Dr. Esco Buff, PhD, CF is in the horseshoer's hall of fame. Maybe he's up to your standards.

I always wondered about that award
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 14:18 #18

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smitty88 wrote:
Travis Morgan wrote:
BTW, Dr. Esco Buff, PhD, CF is in the horseshoer's hall of fame. Maybe he's up to your standards.

whos standards are you talking about

At least in the United States, that's a really good question and one that is worthy of it's own thread.

I've seen Esco's work. It is usually a good mechanical solution for horses presenting serious pathologies. He invests a lot of time and effort sharing those solutions with other farriers at clinics around the country. That work and educational effort is what put him in the Hall of Fame. It is an honor he has earned.

That said, if you put Esco's and John's work side-by-side, it would be an apples and oranges comparison.

The difference is in the quality level of the basics. It's a huge difference!

It's like comparing my own work to Trnka, Crothers or other top hands. I shoe a horse and think I did a fair job. Then I look at their work and want to throw my tools in the dirt and walk away in shame.

High quality basics. Shoe making, fit, nailing, finish. Those are the 'standards' where most of us fall short. That's where you'll feel like you're drowning in your own sweat before you begin to get it right.

We get away with it because, in many/most cases, it doesn't matter to the horse and the owners don't know any better.

If they did, a lot of us would have a much tougher time earning a living.

Cheers,
Mark
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 17:45 #19

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I think there are just too many areas of expertise in some trades for one to be expert in all of them.
Mark, you talk about high quality basics. Would when to ask for x-rays be a basic as well?
Do you think some farriers wait to long to ask, and try to fix it without them?

My standards are simple. They are the same standards that any farrier here has.
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 17:47 #20

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I just threw up a little.
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 17:56 #21

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Travis Morgan wrote:
I just threw up a little.

What did you have to eat?
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 17:57 #22

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Bull ******, apparently.
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 17:59 #23

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Bull ******, apparently.

i think you have to cook that very well done
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 18:04 #24

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Lotsa ketchup. ;)
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 18:40 #25

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"This Clinic has been approved for 6 American Association of Professional Farriers (AAPF) Continuing Education Credits. For more information visit their website - www.ProfessionalFarriers.com"
Esco Buff, PhD, APF, CF

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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 19:12 #26

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seminolewind wrote:
... Mark, you talk about high quality basics. Would when to ask for x-rays be a basic as well?

No.
Do you think some farriers wait to long to ask, and try to fix it without them?

I do not know.

Cheers,
Mark
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 19:38 #27

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seminolewind wrote:
I think there are just too many areas of expertise in some trades for one to be expert in all of them.
Mark, you talk about high quality basics. Would when to ask for x-rays be a basic as well?
Do you think some farriers wait to long to ask, and try to fix it without them?

My standards are simple. They are the same standards that any farrier here has.

Would be nice if it were as simple as just "asking for x-rays". I'd imagine it's not the farrier waiting too long or trying to work blind to prove a point.
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 20:07 #28

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Dr. Esco Buff wrote:
Added Change....

"This Clinic has been approved for 6 American Association of Professional Farriers (AAPF) Continuing Education Credits. For more information visit their website - www.ProfessionalFarriers.com"

What this thing about getting credits?
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 22:21 #29

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Another association that none of the owners have heard of is giving us continuing education credits. Discuss. :pc:
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Re: Esco Buff to lecture at Meredith Manor, 09/15/12 13 May 2012 23:39 #30

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smitty88 wrote:
Dr. Esco Buff wrote:
Added Change....

"This Clinic has been approved for 6 American Association of Professional Farriers (AAPF) Continuing Education Credits. For more information visit their website - www.ProfessionalFarriers.com"

What this thing about getting credits?

The link in Esco's post doesn't work because of the quote mark at the end.

John, this one works and will explain the accreditation program.

www.professionalfarriers.com/
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Another association that none of the owners have heard of is giving us continuing education credits. Discuss. :pc:

Thirty seven pages of discussion is probably enough for most folks.

www.horseshoes.com/forum/35-the-hoofcare...ena/252521-aapf.html

Cheers,
Mark
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