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I give. 08 Feb 2006 02:15 #1

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I know that I have been on the site a bit, asked some silly questions and learned ALOT!!!!

However, the success I have had with my own horses and the very few (junk feet/worse owners)horses I have been called to have not helped my situation. I have never done a bad job, in my biased opinion. I could have done more a few times, thinking to go gradually, on the silly assumption that I would be called back. No one has. Every horse I saw went better after I was done, so I don't understand this. At least one would have....

That said, for now at least, I'm throwing in the towel. It makes me rather sad. The whole reason I got this idea in my head was because I realized what a hoof really was, when the ones that belong to me were hurting. I wanted to do this to help other horses...

I cannot afford school, I havn't been able find a mentor without going to school. I am not being unreasonable or not trying hard enough. Money and phone calls are quite measurable things. If things change for me financially I will probably try it again, but for now...I give.

I am just posting this as a notice for any and all who were kind enough to try to help me this year, nothing more.
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 02:06 #2

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Sarah,
I think the mistake you made is that you tried to do this rather than just doing it. Dosen't sound any different than what I and a thousand others went through.
Ya gota wana.
Bill

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I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 02:33 #3

Sarah,

"Vitality shows not only in the ability to persist but in the ability to start over." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

We all learn this business one small step at a time - your persistance will pay dividends. Keep on keepin on.

Phantom :)
"The work will teach you how to do it"
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 03:20 #4

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I have been contacted by a few people who have cheered me some, and I may just be in a sort of winter slump about everything. Especially since I have been starting 2 buisnesses. My partner is a tuckpointer, and is starting out on his own, and counting on me to handle paperwork, ect.

I'm just way stressed. I may not quit, but I am not going to fret(and fret and fret) like I have been. If I get called great. If not I'll live. Tuckpointing is profitable, so if it goes well he will send me to school. I would feel MUCH better if just one horse would be a repeat. Then there is always spring right?

Anyway thanks guys. I'll keep on, I was just pulling my hair out over this when I wrote that. I was almost in tears. I gotta relax some...
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 03:38 #5

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Sarah
Farriery at best can be a very thankless task
I like you and many others have gone out of my way and far beyond the call of duty to help horses who belonged to people who amount to nothing more than ingrates and no matter what you do you will never please them
I have let these types get to me to the point of tears
you wouldnt think it to look at my photo, youd recon Id near bite their face off but thats not the case Im in face an old softy
So what do you do ?, you get off your bum and have another go simple as that

One of my mentors used to say the horses and the bludgers that own the are great levelers of men and women
He is right
I do wish you very well n good :)
Mark Anthony Amor
If we want anymore excrement like that outta you we'll squeese ya head :eek:
Mind how ya go now ;)
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 03:57 #6

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you wouldnt think it to look at my photo, your recon Id near bit their face off but that not the case Im in face an old softy

Oh Red, I thought you were a gruff cutie!
One of my mentors used to say the horses and the bludgers that own the are great levelers of men and women

Ain't that the truth! And I have been leveled...flat out by a couple of the first kind.
That teaches ya not to do what you just did real good. It works the same for people too huh?

Thanks Red!
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 12:19 #7

Skinfaxi wrote:
I have been contacted by a few people who have cheered me some, and I may just be in a sort of winter slump about everything. Especially since I have been starting 2 buisnesses. My partner is a tuckpointer, and is starting out on his own, and counting on me to handle paperwork, ect.

I'm just way stressed. I may not quit, but I am not going to fret(and fret and fret) like I have been. If I get called great. If not I'll live. Tuckpointing is profitable, so if it goes well he will send me to school. I would feel MUCH better if just one horse would be a repeat. Then there is always spring right?

Anyway thanks guys. I'll keep on, I was just pulling my hair out over this when I wrote that. I was almost in tears. I gotta relax some...

Sarah, we all go through this. This shows you really want to do this trade.
It is frustrateing as hell when your not doing it. Take advantage of this time to make plans, study, sharpen your skills and tools. Don't get stressed it will only do you harm. Stay safe, do not think you have to get under any and all horses. Hang in there, everything will work out. I think it took me about 5 to 6 years to really get a good buisness going.
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 13:44 #8

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Inspite of we always hear how there are too many horses for the number of farriers, getting started isn't easy.

I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in here because I'm getting started for the second time. I haven't advertised and all my local work is trims. Since last June when I first became available for full time work many of the horses that I've done have been one time affairs. I'm willing to bet that these are horses that are only done once a year. I have some fairly regular accounts but they're still just a hand full of trims here and there.

My non-local work...

My former teacher sent me 5 horses that he figured that he could do without. It's a large barn with probably 100 head in all and in a few months that 5 grew into 26. For the most part, I control the schedule on these horses and that comes pretty close to a day a week, at least in the summer. I took back an old saddlebred account that I took care of years ago. I travel far for both these places but the mony's good and they're good places to work.

As you can see, it's pretty hard to get started in an area where you don't know any one. The first calls you get are the folks who can't get some one or can't keep them. This isn't the choice work and I don't know how to get around it. Other farriers might be real helpful folks on this board or at a clinic but, in my experience, out in the real world they're just the competition and if they aren't your friends they aren't going to do anything to help you.

Some areas are better than others but getting started can be a VERY slow process.

But...pay attention to what Phil says. Take advantage of this low pressure time. Getting into a place that you aren't ready for can be the worst thing that could happen to you. I just started getting shoes ready to get those show horses shod back up for show season. Even though I do lots of forging in general, I haven't had to get a stock of show shoes made up in a good many years and it's a good thing that I don't have 100 of these horses this spring. Even though I've done it all before, I need a "low pressure" show season to get back into things. It takes time to build stock up and sharpen and quicken skills. Getting in over your head whether it's the type of work or the amount is the last thing you want. I could have had other show horse accounts but I avoided it prefering to get things going at this one first. this is just one specific example that applies to me but the same general princeiplewould go for any type of horses I think. Once you push your way into the work, you have to make sure that you're ready to do the job.

How do you take advantage of this slow time? Right now, you have the time to get in the forge and mess around. You have the time to spend on every horse to make sure that everything is just right without having to watch the clock. You don't have to do 6 horses a day to keep up. You have the time to read. If you're lucky enough to find some one good that you can ride with, you have the time to do it...assuming of course that you are able to feed yourself in the mean time. Later when you have your own work you won't be able to ride with any one else unless you can afford to pass up paying work.
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 14:34 #9

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Thanks everyone. I think part of it is that I am not shoeing. I can't call myself a farrier, and it limits me(just for now anyway) in what kind of person will call, and how my advertising looks. I should probably push the "natural hoof" thing more. There is absolutely NO way I am picking up a hammer while under a horse until school.

Plus I don't know anyone. I have never shown and do not move in those horsey circles. I'm not complaining about that. I knew it when I started, it just puts me on the outside of things, so I know it will take longer.

I study alot and I am building a forge and stall jack. Making one out of a wheel like the one that was shown here awhile back and RR track. Not for anything but practicing hammering and shaping spare, poor bar steel. Might as well get an arm and a sense of it while I wait. With the studying, I just wish I had someone near me to ask questions too and discuss at length the things I don't understand yet.

I was just very frustrated. I can't get better and faster until I get under horses(not that I'd take any and all, but still). I hate how slow and way-less-than-pro I am when I work. There are so many things I need to buy but don't have the money for. Then the only thing I am known for is my impatience.

Thanks again.
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 15:20 #10

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Mike I must say your advice is very good for Sarah and anyone/everyone else at all levels,very well written. Scott
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 15:30 #11

If this is really what you see yourself doing in the future, don't throw in the towel.

It is far easier to put in the time of learning the trade now when you are young, unattatched and childless (esp being a female) than to try and do this when you've already started a family.

Have you really gone down any and all avenues that would lead you to your goal? Maybe you could work off your tuition at one of the schools...or do housework (or whatever) for a farriers wife (or her if she is the farrier) in exchange for riding with him...or whatever you can think of to make it appealing to someone to help you with your schooling. These are just some ideas off the top of my head. Just think of what you'd do for an up and coming farrier, and ask! The worse people can do is say no. Some may even laugh, but who cares, it's your dream and you'll likely do just fine without their blessing.

If this is truly your dream, you may have to sacrifice comfort for it. You may have to leave your area, for a while anyway, to find someone willing to take you on. Focus on only your goal and forget the peripheral for now, that'll take care of itself later. You'll have a tougher time finding a situation because you're a girl, most farriers are men, and many wives aren't crazy about this set up. That's life, and that's what's on your plate.

I truly understand the frustration, as I have to finish raising and schooling my children before I can put a whole lot of effort into the farrier dream of mine...my obligation to my family is simply more important than my dream and I'm not one of those who can multi-task all that well. :o

I hope you don't give up and I hope you will brainstorm about opportunities that may be out there that you could take advantage of.
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 19:40 #12

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Sarah,Great advice here-also,you should join your state farrier association and attend all thier events,If I were you I would join the Indiana assoc too and attend thiers.
I am in MI if you can get away for a couple of weeks this summer you are welcome to stay in my spare room and ride with me.I am only 5 years in,so I can't teach you a lot,but I'm pretty busy in season and have some interesting horses to do,I also have a freezer full of legs in the basement to pactice on and dissect.
Email me if you like,
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 19:59 #13

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Sarah, you say you don't move in the horsey circles? What is your level of Horsesmanship ? Do you own and ride a horse? Have you worked at a stable or around horses? I'm just asking because I find it hard to understand why anyone would want to become a Farrier without any horse experience? Believe me that I do know a few that are in the trade but their inexperience with animals ,makes them look foolish. I'm not trying to be rude, just wondering where your coming from ,on your way to where you want to be one day? Call Rick and see if you can ride with him, I bet he'd like having a gal around? Good Luck and I wish you the Best! Gary
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 21:18 #14

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Let's see. I own two horses. One for eight years the other for about two. I trained both of them. The first one was when I was 16 and it did not go well at first. As I got older and learned more, I have retrained him since then. The second is just fantastic. I have worked in a show barn for 8 months. I did everything as far as basic care for approx. 20 horses. I became friends with the trainer, and spend quite a bit of time with her while she worked. The barn owner and trainer had a 4yr old filly that was...not going well. She wasn't even under saddle. She had been flipped and driven into a panic more than once. A real space cadet. They let me give her a shot with the warning "Don't kill her and don't get killed." I had her undersaddle in about 30 hours.(of actual work. could have been sooner, but the trainer was leery of her.)

What I ment by not moving in horsey circles is that I don't show, I don't have any horse loving/owning friends to do things with, My family are not ranchers or farmers or horsemen. I'm like a fluke in my family and friends in that I love horses. I am quite capable of properly handling them and also had to correct a couple of dangerously spoiled horses at the barn. The only reason I'm not there now is personal issues regarding the owner of the place.

Horse people are nutz. Sometimes in a good way, sometimes not.
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RE:I give. 10 Feb 2006 21:26 #15

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Let's see. I have own two horses. One for eight years the other for about two. I trained both of them. The first one was when I was 16 and it did not go well at first. As I got older and learned more, I have retrained him since then. The second is just fantastic. I have worked in a show barn for 8 months. I did everything as far as basic care for approx. 20 horses. I became friends with the trainer, and spend quite a bit of time with her while she worked. The barn owner and trainer had a 4yr old filly that was...not going well. She wasn't even under saddle. She had been flipped and driven into a panic more than once. A real space cadet. They let me give her a shot with the warning "Don't kill her and don't get killed." I had her undersaddle in about 30 hours.(of actual work. could have been sooner, but the trainer was leery of her.)

What I ment by not moving in horsey circles is that I don't show, I don't have any horse loving/owning friends to do things with, My family are not ranchers or farmers or horsemen. I'm like a fluke in my family and friends in that I love horses. I am quite capable of properly handling them and also had to correct a couple of dangerously spoiled horses at the barn. The only reason I'm not there now is personal issues regarding the owner of the place.

Horse people are nutz. Sometimes in a good way, sometimes not.

What Gary said is so important. If you do not have any experience around horses then spend this time now hanging around barns even if it is sweeping isle ways, mucking stalls, putting hay away, getting horses for riders, putting them in and out. It will help you big time.
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