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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 10 Dec 2011 17:32 #31

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Tom is right, as unbelievable as it may seem . . .
I get lucky once in a while. ;)
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 10 Dec 2011 19:51 #32

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Gary Hill wrote:
Those prices blow me away!!!
One thing both my boys mentioned about working in barns with million dollar horses that are flown back and forth to Europe between shoeings, is that there is an underlying tension that takes some of the fun out of working.

A rightous man regardeth the life of his beast. Proverbs 12:10
I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 19 Dec 2011 06:37 #33

jarvis, i dont have a spot to offer you,but i just wanted to say i admire your drive and determination. good luck to ya my friend.-gary
Gary W. Atchison-Mustang Farrier Service-Hillsboro Texas
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 11 Jan 2012 15:45 #34

Figure out a mileage charge. When fuel prices went through the roof a few years back, I eventually charged 95 cents a mile (one way) but at the end of the month that payed for my $1,000. a month gas bill and some of my tires at the end of the year.(Taken from a part of Bruce's post)


Bruce that's a ton of great advice & I love the idea of mileage charge but I can't figure a fair way to implement one , say it's 35 miles to my first stop & 5 miles from there to my 2nd stop then another 20 miles to my last stop . Do I charge each of them (say .95 cents, simply for the sake of my question) . From home or does the 1st stop pay the most simply because they are 1st on my route & the others pay from point A to point B & then C ? I just can't find a fair way to do it ? I don't mean to hijack the thread but maybe some advice on how some of you guy's work out the mileage charges would help many of us ? Thanks !
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 11 Jan 2012 18:02 #35

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Leon Jones wrote:
Figure out a mileage charge. When fuel prices went through the roof a few years back, I eventually charged 95 cents a mile (one way) but at the end of the month that payed for my $1,000. a month gas bill and some of my tires at the end of the year.(Taken from a part of Bruce's post)


Bruce that's a ton of great advice & I love the idea of mileage charge but I can't figure a fair way to implement one , say it's 35 miles to my first stop & 5 miles from there to my 2nd stop then another 20 miles to my last stop . Do I charge each of them (say .95 cents, simply for the sake of my question) . From home or does the 1st stop pay the most simply because they are 1st on my route & the others pay from point A to point B & then C ? I just can't find a fair way to do it ? I don't mean to hijack the thread but maybe some advice on how some of you guy's work out the mileage charges would help many of us ? Thanks !

I would not think a mileage charge would work well unless you are really traveling specifically to see a customer outside of your normal area. Then it would be fair to up charge for the additional time taken to get to them. They need to understand this before you come of course. For others, your cost of gas/tires/tool replacements/etc. should be in your overhead rate already. You should know about how much your expenses are a year and how many horses you expect to shoe, divide expenses by number of horses and that is your overhead per horse you will need to cover. Add your shoe cost (all in, shipping and everything). Then figure out how much take home profit you need to make a year, divide by number of expected horses. Now add what you need to make (profit) to your variable costs per horse (shoes and such that get consumed) and your fixed/overhead costs (insurance, tires, truck depreciation, yearly fuel usage, etc) and presto, that is what you better be charging. If the market will bear more then bonus, charge more. If market won't bear what you need to charge you need to decide if you want to find a new way to make a living or lower your living standard or try to market your way to higher rates and/or more customers (if the problem is you don't have enough customers/horses). If you already have as many horses as you can do and the market won't let you charge what you need and you can't live with what you are making it's time to find another occupation.
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 11 Jan 2012 21:15 #36

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Cyber Steve wrote:
I would not think a mileage charge would work well unless you are really traveling specifically to see a customer outside of your normal area. Then it would be fair to up charge for the additional time taken to get to them. They need to understand this before you come of course. For others, your cost of gas/tires/tool replacements/etc. should be in your overhead rate already. You should know about how much your expenses are a year and how many horses you expect to shoe, divide expenses by number of horses and that is your overhead per horse you will need to cover. Add your shoe cost (all in, shipping and everything). Then figure out how much take home profit you need to make a year, divide by number of expected horses. Now add what you need to make (profit) to your variable costs per horse (shoes and such that get consumed) and your fixed/overhead costs (insurance, tires, truck depreciation, yearly fuel usage, etc) and presto, that is what you better be charging. If the market will bear more then bonus, charge more. If market won't bear what you need to charge you need to decide if you want to find a new way to make a living or lower your living standard or try to market your way to higher rates and/or more customers (if the problem is you don't have enough customers/horses). If you already have as many horses as you can do and the market won't let you charge what you need and you can't live with what you are making it's time to find another occupation.


Thanks Steve, this gives rational to what I've been doing instinctively. I haven't had many long distance accounts. I hear the argument that vets, plumbers, etc charge mileage, why shouldn't farriers do the same, but the ability to schedule makes the difference. Those other guys are coming out for one client. Most clients really want a per horse cost, not something that varies with how many you do in that area on that day.

Couple of my accounts. One was a large AQHA operation about a 140 miles away. No question that I was only going for their horses. I'd go for two or three days, they'd supply me with an apartment and fully stocked kitchen so expenses were not an issue and I'd have a trip charge.

Another was a trip to the front range of Colorado where prices are considerably higher than they are locally. I did several clients and just charged the higher front range prices. No trip charge. One of the clients (very attractive) supplied a bedroom (not hers) so I didn't have that expense. I did usually take her to dinner, but didn't consider that a real burden.
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The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 12 Jan 2012 01:22 #37

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Before I pulled the plug and retired, I had a trip charge. I instituted this when gas first went through the roof. I had gas and overhead in my shoeing price, but gas was fluctuating wildly. I started at $5 per stop with the charge going up by $5 every time gas went up $1/gal ( and down $5 if it dropped $1). This had the added benefit for folks who wanted a quantity discount - one trip charge per stop no how many horses. One customer opined that if he gathered up the neighbors, he could save on trip charges and I said "good idea" - save me driving.
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 12 Jan 2012 03:23 #38

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For driving charge, I have made a circles on the map. So much to the first circle, so much to the next and so on. Each horse owner pays the fee for that area. If I drive out specifically for one place, then it is milage fee from home to place and return.
Mikel Dawson, RJF

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What part of "NO" don't you understand!!

Caution: Watch for hoof in mouth disease!!!
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 12 Jan 2012 04:17 #39

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http://www.plxkiwi.com/ I have a Kiwi mpg that costs about 100 bucks. It tells me to the penny how much it takes me to get from point A to point B. You set the price of gas, it plugs in your diagnostic port under your steering column, it monitors your mpg, and you can reset it at any time. I never use it to charge my clients, but I have it as a very fair way to come up with that charge if my heart so desires. :D (It converts it all to dollars and cents for you)
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 13 Jan 2012 02:45 #40

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I did not make any money today really. I thought I was doing good by lining up three clients within a 10 mile radius of each other for the same day. Unfortunately, it's all one horse owners but still tried to save by putting them on the same day. (small book still, lol)

Well only one remembered the appointment it seems and I could not reach the others by phone at all. The only one who kept the appointment lived in the middle of the route so I still drove the same distance for one trim at $25. :rolleyes:
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 13 Jan 2012 02:54 #41

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Kim,
We call that paying dues. We all done that and worse.

A rightous man regardeth the life of his beast. Proverbs 12:10
I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 13 Jan 2012 02:56 #42

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Kim,
We call that paying dues. We all done that and worse.

Oh I bet, I figured some would laugh at that and have flash backs of their own fantastic adventures. :D
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 13 Jan 2012 15:03 #43

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Kim, I've always called a day or so in advance to confirm appointments. I don't drive there unless they confirm. Doctors, dentists, etc. do this. That way nobody has an "excuse" for missing an appointment.
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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 13 Jan 2012 21:59 #44

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Kim, I've always called a day or so in advance to confirm appointments. I don't drive there unless they confirm. Doctors, dentists, etc. do this. That way nobody has an "excuse" for missing an appointment.

I do the same as Tom. It really helps straighten things out. Also, if they can't afford to pay you ( like "till the end of the month":D) you get to usually find out beforeyou get the work done.

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RE:Farrier Business in this econamy 13 Jan 2012 22:52 #45

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Kim,

The following is a link to a sample service policy I created for a lecture I gave at KHS a few years ago. It might give you some ideas you can use.

http://blackburnforge.com/SamplePolicy.htm

I'm sure I stole most of the ideas in here from other farriers . . .;)
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