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TOPIC: AFA CF Cert. Questions

RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 19 Jun 2011 15:26 #31

Yes Smitty,
Do to paperwork issues for the last few years (me not keeping up with it) I am only a provisional tester currently
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 19 Jun 2011 15:27 #32

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clearthinkingone wrote:
Yes Smitty,
Do to paperwork issues for the last few years (me not keeping up with it) I am only a provisional tester currently

Good stuff
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 19 Jun 2011 16:15 #33

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clearthinkingone wrote:
That is helpful.
I comprehend that in several threads you only find issues with the test. That is why i suggest you don't take the test.
Quote me. Show me. Where have I said that I have issues with the "test?"

Some folks have attempted to misrepresent the test as if it is about the horse and soundness. However, there are no FACTS in the AFA study guide which substantiate this assertion.

I have presented facts in regards to what the test is about - verifiable in the AFA study guide. Where does the study guide say the horse must walk off sound? How does the study guide say soundness is scored on the test?
I read plenty, John Grisham, Jack DuBrul, Clive Cussler, Louis Lamore, John Sanford, Edger Allen Poe Etc. Do you need to to "bone up" more on that?
I don't have a problem separating fact from fiction and fantasy. OTOH, you seem to have a fantasy that I have a problem with the test. I don't. I also don't have any fantasies in regards to what the test measuring. The study guide spells that out.
I have tested several horses and we spend time with the person testing before hand and talk about the horse and what is appropriate for that horse and what is not.
Where is this documented in the study guide? The candidate must specify expansion in advance (before the test begins). The study guide does not prohibit the candidate from selecting the "wrong" amount of expansion and proceeding with the test. In FACT, this is nothing more than giving the candidate a choice in which arbitrary criteria will be used to score their heel fit.
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 19 Jun 2011 17:26 #34

Ok go take the test. :)
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 19 Jun 2011 17:40 #35

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clearthinkingone wrote:
Ok go take the test. :)

Go easy on him Michael:D
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 19 Jun 2011 17:49 #36

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clearthinkingone wrote:
Ok go take the test. :)
Already did, and I passed without having to work at it or study for it.
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 05 Aug 2011 05:40 #37

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Forgot to ask, but what happens if you get an outlaw horse? Let's say the horse freaks out during some part, maybe while driving nails. Or, the horse keeps snatching his foot back.

Are you permitted to ask for another horse and under what conditions?

Are you ever asked to make the bar shoe as the on-site modification?

Thanks everyone!
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 05 Aug 2011 10:31 #38

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Scotty Lang wrote:
Forgot to ask, but what happens if you get an outlaw horse? Let's say the horse freaks out during some part, maybe while driving nails. Or, the horse keeps snatching his foot back.

Are you permitted to ask for another horse and under what conditions?

Are you ever asked to make the bar shoe as the on-site modification?

Thanks everyone!

If you have a bad horse there are some options. If other horses are available you can request another horse. If you are in the process of shoeing the horse and it blows up, often times there is someone with sedation to help out. If extra time is needed because of circumstances beyond your control, it is up to the examiner to allow for that. The examiner and testers want everyone to pass, so in these cases they can allow some time to finish.
The bar shoe is just like any other modification. There is always a chance to reproduce it. Be prepared to reproduce any of the shoe dispay modifications in the 30 min time limit.
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 05 Aug 2011 11:59 #39

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I was told (and I could be mis informed :) ) that for your CF, the bar shoe is the one mod they can not ask you to replicate. Simply because, you have the option to weld with either oxy/acetylene , mig or forge. And since in the rule book power equipment is forbidden, if you used a mig welder you would be unable to replicate it. Obviously if they don't like it, they just won't pass it. :D
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 05 Aug 2011 13:03 #40

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Jeff Crane wrote:
If extra time is needed because of circumstances beyond your control, it is up to the examiner to allow for that.
Its been a while since I was a tester and involved in the process, but that was never part of the equation and candidates were never told of that possibility. Depending on the level of certification being attempted, the candidate has a specific amount of time to complete the process, period. If it is otherwise, then the playing field is no longer level.
The examiner and testers want everyone to pass, so in these cases they can allow some time to finish.
Again, perhaps things have changed, but that was not the case 'back in the day'......Lori McBride wrote:
Obviously if they don't like it, they just won't pass it.
Exactly. Though many claim it is an objective test of skills, it is actually a quite subjective test. Were this not so, then there would be no need for Examiner/Tester updates to try and get everyone on the same page when they evaluate a candidate's work. The process, while a good one, is flawed and the sooner everyone understands its limitations the better it will be for all concerned. YMMV
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 05 Aug 2011 15:31 #41

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so when you guys are testing for the certification, who is providing the horses for it? i think Jeff has a valid point (which didn't dawn on me until he quoted it) but if you don't have Bruce Matthews there (*waves to Bruce!*) giving those devils his special touch, that has got to be frustrating trying to test and getting the "one" that's going to fight you all the way on a timed test.
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 05 Aug 2011 22:17 #42

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When I took the CJF the horse was great up until the time I started nailing. I jad all 4 shoes ready to nail with 27 mins left. I was stopped so the horse could be sedated, and began after the meds took effect. Had around 9 mins left when done. The worse thing about being stopped and restarted was it took me outta my rythmn.
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 07 Aug 2011 02:29 #43

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I gues I should have said it differently. If you need assistance they will stop time to sedate an unruly horse.
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 07 Aug 2011 02:40 #44

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Lori McBride wrote:
I was told (and I could be mis informed :) ) that for your CF, the bar shoe is the one mod they can not ask you to replicate. Simply because, you have the option to weld with either oxy/acetylene , mig or forge. And since in the rule book power equipment is forbidden, if you used a mig welder you would be unable to replicate it. Obviously if they don't like it, they just won't pass it. :D

The book states;
"Candidates must provide all tools, equipment, and materials used for on-site demonstration/modification"

"Decisions made concerning the usage of power tools at the examination site will apply to the demonstration shoe. (The decision is made on site by the approved Examiner and is generally based on safety issuses.)
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RE:AFA CF Cert. Questions 16 Aug 2011 09:49 #45

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thanks everyone. I guess the new question is, have you seen anyone get asked to make a bar shoe as their on-site mod?

I'm not there yet, but here's some pics of a few mods...how are they lookin? What needs help? I would appreciate any criticism and suggestions.



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