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RE:Apprenticeship 26 Mar 2011 15:01 #16

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Sister you better bring your lunch if your going to help any of the Whitmans. Ever read the bible and hear mention of the hewbrew slaves, they were resting compared to the Whitmans.:D
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RE:Apprenticeship 26 Mar 2011 17:23 #17

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J.H. shoeing wrote:
Sister you better bring your lunch if your going to help any of the Whitmans. Ever read the bible and hear mention of the hewbrew slaves, they were resting compared to the Whitmans.:D

LOL.. I live about 6 states away and I have never even meet them but have heard the same thing when talking with another Farrier
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RE:Apprenticeship 26 Mar 2011 17:45 #18

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Jason RoTramel wrote:
Lass

Welcome to shoeing. Brace yourself that's just the way it is. I have a little advice for ya.

1) Grow thick skin you'll need it for everything from nails being drug through your hands and legs, too other farriers chewing you up and down.

2) Learn to take your lumps when they come, there is going to be a lot of them.

Be prepared to travel. Currently I am driving three and a half hours away to apprentice with a more experienced farrier. The guy that works my off week flies in from California to Oklahoma.


I had a hard time finding a helper this year, went through 3 boys, 1 had been to shoeing school. Finally a girl answered my add, I hired her and she is the best help I have ever had. So hang in there, nothing about this trade is going to come easy.

I'm trying really I am. Just getting confusing information from all directions - be courteous and respectful - or grow a thick skin and stand up for myself.

I will admit I am a born smartass..... haven't been able to cure that yet.


I understand the traveling part and am willing to do so.

Oh sorry about the name thing. I'll do my best to remember.
Kayla Capler
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RE:Apprenticeship 26 Mar 2011 17:49 #19

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Jake Whitman wrote:
If you are serious about the work, i know my brother will need some help in South Dakota this summer, Where did you go to school, and can you pull and finish to a top standard all day?

I go to Hocking College in Nelsonville OH. http://hocking.edu/programs/farrier

I'm not finished with all of my schooling yet. by this summer I will have completed Horseshoeing 3 - and my forging I. (There are 4 shoeing classes, the 4th being corrective, gait, and therapeutic shoeing, and two forging classes)

I can sure try, but this would be my first time actually working on horses outside of the school's horses.

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RE:Apprenticeship 26 Mar 2011 22:10 #20

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Farrier Science & Business
Program

Associate of Technical Study in Farrier Science and Business

Hocking College offers one of only a few farrier science associate degree programs in the United States. The Farrier Science and Business program offers a unique combination of farrier skills and business management. You can have the best of two worlds - working around horses and owning your own business. You will learn the newest and safest techniques for shoeing horses as you develop skills on both gas and coal forges. Learn corrective farrier skills as well as shoeing for performance. Classes such as care and handling, gait analysis, and nutrition provide you with a solid background in horse care.

Many farriers are self-employed. The business portion of this program provides you with not only basic business skills such as management and accounting, but also marketing and brochure development and business skills specific to the equine industry. You will also develop a business plan to get you started in establishing a successful farrier business.
Program Outcomes

The following outcomes are skills, behaviors, and attitudes cultivated in students seeking the Associate of Technical Study in Farrier Science and Business:

* Operate and maintain basic farrier equipment;
* Demonstrate a variety of forging techniques;
* Perform proper shoeing techniques;
* Develop a plan to establish a farrier business;
* Apply business skills as they pertain to the equine industry;
* Identify, maintain, and use safety procedures with horses, tack and related equipment;
* Perform safety inspection procedures in daily operations;
* Properly feed/water horses, groom/bathe horses, and clean stalls;
* Communicate professionally with coworkers and with the public;
* Provide basic horse health care including preventive health care; and,
* Properly identify feeds and feeding requirements of equine at all ages and levels of performance.

Curriculum
HOCKING COLLEGE
Associate of Technical Study in Farrier Science and Business
Course of Study
For Students Entering June, 2010 Thru May, 2011

COURSE NO. FIRST QUARTER Class Hours Lab Hours Credit Hours Course Fee
EQSI-103 Horse Care Handling 2.00 5.00 3.00 $70.00
EQSI-116 Equine Anatomy and Physiology I 3.00 1.00 3.00 $60.00
EQSI-150 Leathercraft I 2.00 4.00 3.00 $175.00
BIOS-103 General Biology 2.00 3.00 3.00 $45.00
EQSI-210 Horseshoeing I 2.00 3.00 3.00 $135.00
GS-101 Focus on Success 1.00 0.00 1.00 $20.00
Totals 12.00 16.00 16.00 $505.00

COURSE NO. SECOND QUARTER Class Hours Lab Hours Credit Hours Course Fee
EQSI-112 Equine Health Care I 3.00 1.00 3.00 $85.00
EQSI-215 Horseshoeing II 2.00 3.00 3.00 $565.00
BUS-100 Small Business Management I 3.00 2.00 3.00 $5.00
MATH-108 Introduction to Algebra 4.00 0.00 4.00 $21.00
COMM-122 Communications II 3.00 0.00 3.00 $15.00
Totals 15.00 6.00 16.00 $691.00

COURSE NO. THIRD QUARTER Class Hours Lab Hours Credit Hours Course Fee
EQSI-135 Forging I 2.00 3.00 3.00 $245.00
EQSI-216 Horseshoeing III 2.00 3.00 3.00 $135.00
EQSI-262 Equine Conformation 2.00 3.00 3.00 $40.00
EQSI-110 Wilderness Riding I 2.00 3.00 3.00 $260.00
EQSI-143 Equine Marketing and Brochure Development 2.00 3.00 3.00 $70.00
Totals 10.00 15.00 15.00 $750.00

COURSE NO. SUMMER QUARTER Class Hours Lab Hours Credit Hours Course Fee
EQSI-294 OR Equine Science Cooperative Work Experience 2.00 40.00 6.00 $30.00
EQSI-296 Equine Science Practicum 1.00 7.00 2.00 $30.00
Totals 1.00-2.00 7.00-40.00 2.00-6.00 $30.00

COURSE NO. FOURTH QUARTER Class Hours Lab Hours Credit Hours Course Fee
EQSI-217 Horseshoeing IV 2.00 3.00 3.00 $185.00
EM-134 Standard First Aid 1.00 0.00 1.00 $60.00
EQSI-119 Equine Business Management 3.00 0.00 3.00 $75.00
COMM-123 Communications III 3.00 0.00 3.00 $15.00
PSYC-154 Interpersonal Relationships 3.00 0.00 3.00 $7.00
EQSI-151 OR Leathercraft II 1.00 4.00 3.00 $130.00
EQSI-160 Equine Massage 2.00 3.00 3.00 $105.00
Totals 13.00-14.00 6.00-7.00 16.00 $447.00-$472.00

COURSE NO. FIFTH QUARTER Class Hours Lab Hours Credit Hours Course Fee
EQSI-113 Equine Nutrition and Supplements 3.00 0.00 3.00 $20.00
EQSI-136 Forging II 2.00 3.00 3.00 $125.00
EQSI-201 Horse Program Management 3.00 1.00 3.00 $50.00
COMM-130 OR Speech 3.00 0.00 3.00 $10.00
COMM-135 Verbal Career Skills 3.00 0.00 3.00 $10.00
Totals 11.00 4.00 12.00 $205.00

COURSE NO. SIXTH QUARTER Class Hours Lab Hours Credit Hours Course Fee
EQSI-111 Equine Employment Seminar 2.00 0.00 2.00 $40.00
EQSI-258 Corrective Shoeing and Gait Analysis-Capstone (SL/CR) 3.00 6.00 5.00 $170.00
ACC-100 Accounting I 2.00 3.00 3.00 $5.00
BUS-120 Personal Finance 3.00 0.00 3.00
COMM-124 OR Communications IV 3.00 0.00 3.00 $15.00
COMM-225 Technical Writing 3.00 0.00 3.00 $20.00
Totals 13.00 9.00 16.00 $230.00-$235.00

TOTAL CREDIT HOURS: ESTIMATED TOTAL COURSE FEES:
93.00-97.00 $2,858.00-2,888.00

Hocking College reserves the right to modify curricular requirements, to change course content, and change course fees at any time.
Career Opportunities

The Farrier Science and Business program provides you with very specialized skills. Employment may be found in all areas of the equine industry, such as at a dude ranch, in the race horse industry or in private stables. Graduates are also prepared to establish their own farrier business.

Entry-level salaries in the farrier industry may range from $25,000 - $100,000 annually.

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Hocking College Career Services

Hocking College
3301 Hocking Parkway
Nelsonville, OH 45764
877.HOCKING
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I think you will need anther 4 year Apprenticeship after this course .
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RE:Apprenticeship 26 Mar 2011 23:44 #21

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Schools now days seem to have come a long ways from 12 years ago.. I wonder why an effort has not been made to do a placement program .. or maybe it has.. sure it would be impossible to place all students and I'm sure not all students would even want to be apart of it.. we see ads for apprentices all the time..and we see young Farriers trying to find help so there must be a need.. seems like it would be pretty simple to implement into a program ... gather up a large number of farriers that have the means to maybe house a students... or a farrier in the same area as the student.. give it 2 or 3 weeks to make sure both are gonna work well with each other .... before a final decision is made
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RE:Apprenticeship 27 Mar 2011 01:02 #22

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Travis Reed wrote:
Schools now days seem to have come a long ways from 12 years ago.. I wonder why an effort has not been made to do a placement program .. or maybe it has.. sure it would be impossible to place all students and I'm sure not all students would even want to be apart of it.. we see ads for apprentices all the time..and we see young Farriers trying to find help so there must be a need.. seems like it would be pretty simple to implement into a program ... gather up a large number of farriers that have the means to maybe house a students... or a farrier in the same area as the student.. give it 2 or 3 weeks to make sure both are gonna work well with each other .... before a final decision is made

That would be awesome but like you said idk if all students would want to be apart of it - or if even any farriers would. Our school farriers themselves take on 2-3 students when they can, but we only have three farriers teaching in the program, so it's every person for them-self.

I don't know if it says it on there anymore, but you can also just get a certification by taking horseshoeing 1-3 & forging. Quite a few actually do that. My thought process was that if I'm spending this much money on school and the effort & time to do so, I might as well come out with a degree. I've already got two years down at a four year university for equine science, but for reasons I don't want to discuss on here, I moved closer to home~

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RE:Apprenticeship 27 Mar 2011 01:37 #23

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My opinion.
The apprenticeship should be tied in with schooling. Which is the case in the majority of country's.
You obtain an apprenticeship with an employer first .
The employer is subsidised by the industry for taking on an apprentice. The apprentice is paid a apprenticeship wage set by the governing body & industry. They are then enrolled at an accredited school & attend school study one day in every week during their 4 year apprenticeship.
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RE:Apprenticeship 27 Mar 2011 01:55 #24

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owen charles wrote:
My opinion.
The apprenticeship should be tied in with schooling. Which is the case in the majority of country's.
You obtain an apprenticeship with an employer first .
The employer is subsidised by the industry for taking on an apprentice. The apprentice is paid a apprenticeship wage set by the governing body & industry. They are then enrolled at an accredited school & attend school study one day in every week during their 4 year apprenticeship.

Now see I. Don't think that....I think your looking at getting a gov involved then.. we have way to much gov pushed down our throats as it is... what ever happen to ...you get out of something you put into it... and I will pay my help as I see fit ..I don't need someone telling what to pay my help.... I was just kinda thinking along the lines of a more personal type thing .... a school owner has a few kids or guys that are intrested and he makes a few calls... no need to do a 4 year ..not that it would be good but keep it 6 month and at the end of that go work with another farrier or decide then to stay on..6 month imho should be the only for sure thing and after every 6 months its looked at and decided if it will go on another 6 ...so on and so on
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RE:Apprenticeship 27 Mar 2011 02:02 #25

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owen charles wrote:
My opinion.
The apprenticeship should be tied in with schooling. Which is the case in the majority of country's.
You obtain an apprenticeship with an employer first .
The employer is subsidised by the industry for taking on an apprentice. The apprentice is paid a apprenticeship wage set by the governing body & industry. They are then enrolled at an accredited school & attend school study one day in every week during their 4 year apprenticeship.
Is a good idea, and yes, is the way it works in most countries.
Unfortunately is a bit too progressive for the US though:rolleyes:
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RE:Apprenticeship 27 Mar 2011 04:18 #26

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Travis Reed wrote:
Now see I. Don't think that....I think your looking at getting a gov involved then.. we have way to much gov pushed down our throats as it is... what ever happen to ...you get out of something you put into it... and I will pay my help as I see fit ..I don't need someone telling what to pay my help.... I was just kinda thinking along the lines of a more personal type thing .... a school owner has a few kids or guys that are intrested and he makes a few calls... no need to do a 4 year ..not that it would be good but keep it 6 month and at the end of that go work with another farrier or decide then to stay on..6 month imho should be the only for sure thing and after every 6 months its looked at and decided if it will go on another 6 ...so on and so on
Governing body does not necessarily mean Government!.It could very easily be funded & administrated by a consortium.The elected Board made up of high standing recognised horse industry, racing industry & farrier associations members.
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RE:Apprenticeship 27 Mar 2011 10:10 #27

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owen charles wrote:
My opinion.
The apprenticeship should be tied in with schooling. Which is the case in the majority of country's.
You obtain an apprenticeship with an employer first .
The employer is subsidised by the industry for taking on an apprentice. The apprentice is paid a apprenticeship wage set by the governing body & industry. They are then enrolled at an accredited school & attend school study one day in every week during their 4 year apprenticeship.

Owen im all on for a 4/5 year apprenticship
for me having a lad attend college one day a week

would be a no no.
to get the best out of college IMO a 2 week stint at one time

is good.
i teach part time in our college (Co Kildare)
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RE:Apprenticeship 27 Mar 2011 16:55 #28

I'm trying really I am. Just getting confusing information from all directions - be courteous and respectful - or grow a thick skin and stand up for myself.

Kayla

I see your trying, and you can do all this at the same time. Confidence, respect and humility are things we all struggle with in this trade, if you go through the threads you will notice some struggle harder than others. LOL l never went to school, always trained through apprenticeships. I wish I had gone to school, and been more choosy who I apprenticed with. Be very selective, who you ride with can have positive and negative consequences.

My advice would be, join the AFA, Join a local organization that supports the AFA. Then start going to all the clinics and contests you can get to. This will gain you access to farriers committed to becoming educated and educating. You will have the chance to get to know possible mentors, and demonstrate your skills and commitment to learning.
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RE:Apprenticeship 27 Mar 2011 21:48 #29

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Sister you better bring your lunch if your going to help any of the Whitmans. Ever read the bible and hear mention of the hewbrew slaves, they were resting compared to the Whitmans.:D

They do work hard and do some nice work. There is a man by the name of Holder down in Texas doing the same thing. :cool:
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RE:Apprenticeship 27 Mar 2011 22:01 #30

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smitty88 wrote:
Owen im all on for a 4/5 year apprenticship
for me having a lad attend college one day a week

would be a no no.
to get the best out of college IMO a 2 week stint at one time

is good.
i teach part time in our college (Co Kildare)
What ever achievers the best results John for the apprentice would be any educating body's main goal & want of outcome.
If the instructing teaching staff think a two weeks attendance is required for better outcome then attending one day a week.Then you would go with that schooling time frame structure. :)
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