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RE:could use some wisdom! 22 Sep 2010 14:38 #31

michaelgalik wrote:
I think this trend went into a different direction than I had planned. About the spelling.. Microsoft word spells it Ferrier!! So I went with that... lesson learned. When I stated actual shoeing is the easy part, I meant that it’s the most straight forward; it’s where we know what to do. I like Anne Tree Coleys post "Do you have friends with horses"? She gave me some help on where to start! THANK YOU. I have always learned, talk to someone who has been there. They can point you in the right direction. And if you can, talk to a pro! Then shut up and listen! thank you for your input!


You need to go to as many clinics on the subject as possible; and you need to apprentice with some one for at least 3 years and then go an apprentice with others doing more specialized shoeing work. You will have to invest on at least 5 years of your time into this trade and profession;

before you go out on your own and shoes horses and take money from others!!!!!!!!!!!

Good start is getting involved with the World Championship Blacksmiths organizations and go to the hammer-in's and practice and practice your forging skills; and then consectively; I would go for the AFA and practice for some type of cert. ect., and go to as many of their clinics on hand as I could; if not doing racehorses and joining our Union of Journeyman Horseshoers.

That is how you become profient in this trade and get very good at forging work and your shoeing work. Then you can get good clientelle that will pay you for your professional shoeing work.


Anyone else want to comment? ........on my suggestions?

Linda Muggleworth, IUJH
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RE:could use some wisdom! 22 Sep 2010 16:12 #32

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
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I am sorry but you might want to learn how to spell the word correctly.....It is FARRIER, not Ferrier?


Years ago, the TPFA had a January farrier/vet information exchange get-together at Texas A&M. One of the big motels in College Station gave us a good discount on room rates, so we blocked out 20 or 30 rooms for the deal and they were so glad to book all those rooms in the middle of winter, they changed their marquee sign to say
Welcome Texas Farries!
I thought it was pretty cool, but Jack Miller (RIP) made 'em change it to "farriers."

Spelling counts. :)

Tom,

Did you have enough rooms reserved for the overflow (Joke,tease, etc. .)
It could of been Fairys

spelling counts but.... did folks know what was being referred to.... farrier, ferrier, horseshoer?

it amazes me what folk choose to get hung up on. kinda like "Knock me up at 9 am", I've used that as an example maybe 100 plus times.


Regards

Ray Steele
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RE:could use some wisdom! 22 Sep 2010 18:06 #33

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thanks for the information.
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RE:could use some wisdom! 23 Sep 2010 04:49 #34

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Mike, call me at 707-834-0255 Pacific time.

Hey Tom,
Maybe the motel thought you were all coming from downtown Houston.

A rightous man regardeth the life of his beast. Proverbs 12:10
I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:could use some wisdom! 23 Sep 2010 04:55 #35

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
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Welcome Texas Farries!

We have one local farrie...r for whom that sign would be most apt.....

....not that there's anything wrong with that! :p:D:D:D
Ant.
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RE:could use some wisdom! 24 Sep 2010 21:23 #36

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Hello I am currently attending a Ferrier science program and am thinking about the near future. I plan on using my new found knowledge as a source of secondary income. My question to you is how I get my name out there. Short of placing fliers in every vet shop, feed store, barbers shop, and sale barn. I did some research and found that most business comes in from clients telling friends. Feels like getting credit. Can’t get credit without credit. So how do I get credit? Also what should I expect from currant ferriers in the area? Is there some kind of discouragement because I may be stealing clients? I guess I’m asking what I should expect. What should be my focus? Other than doing a good job while under the horse. Cuz that seems to be the easy part about this business. thank you for your time. mike Galik

When I started out it did not take long for me to find horses that only needed to be trimmed. That is a good place to start.

Oh and by the way, if a horse owner or barn decides to use you it is business not stealing. :)

Doing a good job is not the easy part as you learn more you will realize what you thought was a good job is probably not even mediocre (middle of the pack) Good luck to you. We all think we do a good job. Even the best don't agree on what is a good job. Put the 10 top clinicians in the same room and you will have 10 different ways to do a good job.
Phil Armitage, CF
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"Anyone who proposes to do good must not expect people to roll stones out of his way, but must accept his lot calmly if they even roll a few more upon it." Albert Schweitzer
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RE:could use some wisdom! 24 Sep 2010 22:15 #37

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There have been lots of remarks about "the easy part of horse shoeing"! I very well understand that it’s a long learning process and that I am starting out going 30mph on the highway. I can learn allot more! I’m excited to learn! I’m excited to get to clients barns and realize I have no clue! This post was created asking...."how do I get to those barns". We have came across a lot of great ideas. (Apprentice, friends w/ horses, and clinics).......I paid my rent when in college by doing roofing repairs. It’s something I know and have done for 15 years now. (Since I was 10 being a go fer!) There are times when I still can’t find where the roof is leaking.... a person is always learning... I hate getting up to sweat on a roof but I love getting under horses...
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RE:could use some wisdom! 24 Sep 2010 22:43 #38

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My plan is to charge a little less than the going rate to get clients. Around here its 80$ so I’m thinking ill charge 60$ and 30$ for trims. Once I get 20 steady horses will start charging 70$ to new clients and knocking off trouble horses. Then when my name gets out there I can charge the same for all. This way I can get my name out there and get clients quicker! (In theory).

Another plan is to call every farrier I can think of and ask for an apprentaship. Then hope they throw overflow clients my way?

Or maybe I can do both????
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RE:could use some wisdom! 24 Sep 2010 22:49 #39

I'd suggest you look more at being a timmer than a farrier. You will earn more and spend less.

For example look at the savings on education. Farrier school will set you back many thousands of dollars. You can become a trimmer at a weekend clinic for $300 and if you want to shoe you can become a certified Epona Shoe Glue shoer for another $300.

Its easier on the back as you sit on a rolling stool rather than hunch over.

You make more $75/trim rather than $25-40/trim

You only have to purchase a rasp and nippers and knife to trim. I have over $10,000 invested in tools for shoeing.

I travel in a fuel consuming 1 ton truck you can trim off of a motorcycle or out of a smartcar.
Hernando Alonzo
Certified Professional Farrier

"When all has been said and done...... usually much more has been said than done. "
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RE:could use some wisdom! 24 Sep 2010 22:51 #40

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My plan is to charge a little less than the going rate to get clients. Around here its 80$ so I’m thinking ill charge 60$ and 30$ for trims. Once I get 20 steady horses will start charging 70$ to new clients and knocking off trouble horses. Then when my name gets out there I can charge the same for all. This way I can get my name out there and get clients quicker! (In theory).

Another plan is to call every farrier I can think of and ask for an apprentaship. Then hope they throw overflow clients my way?

Or maybe I can do both????

everything in your thinking so far has been wrong.

work for free for a an experienced farrier and cut your expenses. then work yourself to the upper half of the feed chain and charge accordingly.
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RE:could use some wisdom! 24 Sep 2010 23:00 #41

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I am in school currently in Tucumcari for farrier science. I have most of my tools and am looking at this as a business!! I am willing to invest in this business. A service that markets a profit is a successful business. I am willing to lower my cost in order to make my name known and to increase my client list!! Is this a bad business strategy?
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RE:could use some wisdom! 24 Sep 2010 23:03 #42

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how do i pay bills if i work for free?? these are ideas for finding clients? (price hunters)
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RE:could use some wisdom! 24 Sep 2010 23:07 #43

michaelgalik wrote:
I am in school currently in Tucumcari for farrier science. I have most of my tools and am looking at this as a business!! I am willing to invest in this business. A service that markets a profit is a successful business. I am willing to lower my cost in order to make my name known and to increase my client list!! Is this a bad business strategy?

A boy travels to a zen master to get some wisdom. He travels over mountain ranges and thru the desert at great sacrifice to meet this wise master. When he arrives he asks the master to teach him. But the master suggests that first they have some tea. He hands the boy a cup and starts pouring the tea but when the cup is full he keeps pouring, hot tea is spilling out over the boy's hands as he cries out "Stop, Stop pouring the cup is full you can't fit any more tea in it!"

The master stops pouring and replies "That is correct please leave and come back when your cup is no longer full, then I will be able to teach you"
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".....and I said to the horse: Trust no man in whose eyes you do not see yourself reflected as an equal."
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"What people do not appreciate is that every time a horse submits to...
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RE:could use some wisdom! 24 Sep 2010 23:17 #44

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i heard that story in that movie....2012....! so the consensis is that im wrong?? ok... i should beg a farrier around here to ride allong with... i get that that great for learning new things!! but i dont see how that makes money!!
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RE:could use some wisdom! 24 Sep 2010 23:21 #45

michaelgalik wrote:
how do i pay bills if i work for free?? these are ideas for finding clients? (price hunters)

Michael;
That´s the tricky part. when I finally found the money in shoeing , I had over 40,000€ debt. but then again, now I just have some payments for my van and a mortcage.
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