Anne Tree Coley wrote:
Anne,
You can take it however you would like. I understand Show shoes point about not bothering with a non farrier- you do not understand, nor apparently care about the difference between a kiln and a forge, yet you continue to argue the point and use the inappropriate terminology. I think it is important enough to correct. I honestly do not expect you to use the term correctly, but others read these threads and perhaps the correct terminology will register with those readers.
As you point out, you have info based upon your experience. Unfortunately, people come to this site for the experience of a farrier, and you do not have that experience or perspective. I am not claiming your perspective is good or bad, just not appropriate for providing advice on this site. There are plenty of horse care and barefoot sites which are seemingly seemingly better suited for someone with a non-farrier view.
Does it matter? Well, I guess I would point out that you now argued the difference between a kiln and a forge, provided a definition and continue to (rather stubbornly) use the word kiln in you posts. I think there a lot of unnecessary arguments which take place here because farriers are asked to defend issues presented by non-farriers. It places farriers in the unenviable position of ignoring inaccuracies, or appearing to be argumentative (as I am sure some might think of my posts in this thread) when correcting some basic inaccuracies.

The dictionary definitions of "coffin" and "casket" are very similar. Imagine engaging in a discussion with someone who insisted on referring to the distal phalanx as the "casket bone". Could you do that with a straight face? Should one ignore that reference? Would a discussion of correct casket bone position within the hoof have any worth?

reillyshoe wrote:
GOOD GRIEF?:confused: Your just as bad, dragging things out through a long string of posts over nuthin'. At least I haven't seen where she's told people that "shoes are evil and no horse should ever have them."

Don't get me wrong Pat, I enjoy your stuff when your talking about shoeing, but, you seem to act like a **** ant sometimes.

FYI, just re-lined my kiln.

Show Shoe wrote:Who cares about what the newbie charges? Certainly not me. Should a client choose to leave my custom be it for lower price or other reasons, that is their right. I don't worry about it anymore.

But you still haven't explained how you would make sure that such a person was not around for long.You are correct. And that's because "the bitter taste of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is gone". And should someone who has left my custom because soemone else offers a lower proce/fee, if/when I am again asked to provide services for that individual, it always comes at a higher fee than before.I agree. But, as noted, that is their right. And I have the right to refuse to service that account again if asked, or to charge a higher fee to provide my services if I choose to allow said customer back into my custom.So why worry about, obsess over, or in any way concern yourself with what some other farrier, newbie or otherwise, charges?So why worry about what anyone else is charging?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-rJ-6hBfSo

Rick Burten wrote:
Rick you are so arguementive I don't care what a newbie charges. You are correct it is there right to change. How would I run them out I would point out the newbie work and in my area seasoned farriers stick together and will help each other and help newbies to until the try to go into barns and lowball after you've already tried to help some of them. By sticking together the lowballer usually doesn't last long.

Show Shoe wrote:
Jeremy, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm merely trying to engage in a meaningful discussion.OK, but if people are willing to settle for [perhaps] lesser quality work, then that farrier is going to care out a niche for him/herself and sooner or later, raise his/her fees. And then the cycle will repeat.......IME, lots of farriers, not just those who low ball fees, fail to last in this profession. Personally, I wouldn't want to be a newbie farrier trying to start a business in this economic climate. A lucky few will apprentice. Others will be in the right place at the right time. As for the rest, they are here today and gone tomorrow. YMMV

Clint Burrell wrote:
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and some gibberish thrown in to make the message an acceptable length for the forum.