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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 21:27 #91

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DeniseMc wrote:
I don't have a horse in ths race, just here as a "casual observer"; but Rick, you'd still be high on my list as someone who I would want to have teach me which way to turn a nail were I so inclined (never say never;)). Years and years ago I would have had zero tolerance for a mistake from someone of your stature as you are held to a higher standard than most farriers due to all those initials you used to sign your name with; but the older I get the more I realize that humans are not perfect. And it sure doesn't sound like it was an easy day--high heat and humidity, five hours or so of lecture, then presented a horse with severe hoof distortions---sounds more like the perfect storm.
Hopefully someone will post some photos of the hooves you had to deal with.

That's one way to look at it. I go to clinics and watch all the videos and wonder where they find all these nice feet! I keep thinking that if Rick got some real horse feet, it might not have come across as being so slick.

Then there's this public discussion thing. I don't know what the rules/ethics should be but I can't help but think it's a different ball game.

We've heard that he stuck a horse and he had trouble leveling a shoe once. Oh, and he's made a few ugly shoes. Damn, I keep thinking how none of that that's has ever happened to me:eek:
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 22:33 #92

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We are all legends in our own mind. :D

Justin, Aren't we though. Thanks for reminding us. Realizing that is a big step towards correcting it. I definitely need a good slap down occasionally to see things as they really are. Ommmmmmm.. :D

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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 22:36 #93

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Would you want to give a clinic over there:eek::eek:
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 22:47 #94

Smitty, if your post is directed at the immediatly previous poster - me, I wouldn't give a clinic anywhere. :eek::D

Why did you ask, and to who?

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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 22:54 #95

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Would anybody want to give a clinic reading some of the posts
gone by

and then they call them selfs farriers:mad::mad:
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 23:06 #96

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smitty88 wrote:
Would anybody want to give a clinic reading some of the posts
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and then they call them selfs farriers:mad::mad:

If I understand the question, the answer is no. What good is a clinic when everybody is already a star?

Hasn't this business always been this way? Everybody already knows everything and everybody else stinks?

Farriers keep complaining that they aren't considered professionals and they keep proving that their butts should be higher than their heads.

We probably don't have to go so far out of our way to prove that we have strong backs and weak minds.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 02:34 #97

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Things can happen to anyone, i remember years ago at the Ontario Farriers Convention in Ottawa. Burney Chapman was the quest speaker and clinician. this girl brought in a horse that i call coon footed, really underslung heels and long toe. Burney was going to show us how to trim it and everyone gathered round and didn't he get him with the nippers.
lot's of blood and the girl was having a fit. Burney was shocked at what he just did. a few farriers all jumped in and made up a shoe with a cutout pad and got it on the horse and all was well.
but just goes to show that excrement can happen.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 03:21 #98

tbloomer wrote:
Really? Who answered my question about the locations of the fulcrums?

Is the DDFT a fulcrum? What is the affect of the condrocoronal ligaments on the heel horn? The bars, frog, digital cushion, pastern length, superficial sesamoidian ligament?

Where are the fulcrums and where are the ends of the levers? Is anybody going to answer that or do we continue with the tap dance?

I'm not a wiz in physics, you yourself have already pointed that out in the past. However I can observe the effects of shod too short or too much iron extending past the heel buttress on underrun heels. Here is a horse I did this morning. Older horse, poor conformation, long toe/underrun heels. Years ago the local Pony club used him as an example of poor conformation. He has been barefoot since last fall. Got a call that his feet were breaking up and walking a little tender footed. Put shoes on him, little bit of a rocker/roll in the toe, deep seated for sole reliefe. Responded to hoof testers in the toe. They put him out in a big field after I was done with him, he started off walking then troted a little then cantered to the other end of the field. Looked happy to me.







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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 03:26 #99

Pics cont.



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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 03:48 #100

smitty88 wrote:
Would anybody want to give a clinic reading some of the posts
gone by

and then they call them selfs farriers:mad::mad:


If the opportunity presented itself, sure why not. It is my understanding the one doing the teaching learns more than the ones listening and watching. The posts on here do not bother me. Its all good John, its all good. :)
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 07:55 #101

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Your not allowed to ask him that.:D:D
If we are going to discuss something having to do with physics, levers, forces, etc. Unless there is some agreement on the rules, where things are located, and how they work, there can be no discussion.

I asked a specific question about the locations of the fulcrums of the levers in the foot between ground force and the horses weight. Nobody answered it. Why? It is not trick question. If we are going to engage in a discussion about leverage, first I want to know where the levers are and where the fulcrums are. Otherwise we can't have a productive conversation.

Instead of anybody giving an answer . . . the response is to attack with a fanatical pattern of behavior. Why? Did my question challenge someone's belief? Is there an internal conflict?

Is EXPERIENCE THE ANSWER? I'm supposed to respect the experience and just pretend that my question was answered? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. I won't support the fanatical illusion that repetition = reason.

Fanatics are driven to promote their beliefs because of the conflict that occurs for them whenever their beliefs are challenged. To stop the feeling of conflict, the fanatic becomes compelled to convince everyone that their belief is fact, or, failing that, to destroy those who threaten the belief.

Fanaticism is a dangerous mental illness.
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 08:25 #102

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tbloomer wrote:
If we are going to discuss something having to do with physics, levers, forces, etc. Unless there is some agreement on the rules, where things are located, and how they work, there can be no discussion.

I asked a specific question about the locations of the fulcrums of the levers in the foot between ground force and the horses weight. Nobody answered it. Why? It is not trick question. If we are going to engage in a discussion about leverage, first I want to know where the levers are and where the fulcrums are. Otherwise we can't have a productive conversation.

Instead of anybody giving an answer . . . the response is to attack with a fanatical pattern of behavior. Why? Did my question challenge someone's belief? Is there an internal conflict?

Is EXPERIENCE THE ANSWER? I'm supposed to respect the experience and just pretend that my question was answered? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. I won't support the fanatical illusion that repetition = reason.

Fanatics are driven to promote their beliefs because of the conflict that occurs for them whenever their beliefs are challenged. To stop the feeling of conflict, the fanatic becomes compelled to convince everyone that their belief is fact, or, failing that, to destroy those who threaten the belief.

Fanaticism is a dangerous mental illness.
I answered it :confused:, its not my fault your comprehension is very poor!!!! when it comes to physics combined physiology or Bio mechanics & engineering, if your fulcrum was a centralised fixed point AS YOU WISH EVERY ONE TO BELIEVE because it suits your thinking, the joint would be of a ball & socket nature & not sesamoidal ,I don't know what institute you have or are studying at nor do I care, other then to say I'm glade I never attended there.;)
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 10:14 #103

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I answered it :confused:, its not my fault your comprehension is very poor!!!! when it comes to physics combined physiology or Bio mechanics & engineering, if your fulcrum was a centralised fixed point AS YOU WISH EVERY ONE TO BELIEVE because it suits your thinking, the joint would be of a ball & socket nature & not sesamoidal ,I don't know what institute you have or are studying at nor do I care, other then to say I'm glade I never attended there.;)
Hmmmmmmmm. Have I specified the type(s) of fulcrum(s) or the nature thereof or their locations? :confused: Show me where I have provided that information. Like the others, you make up stuff I haven't said and then argue against it. :rolleyes:

I left that definition stuff up to you. You get to define where things are and the rules for how things work. Then, using your definitions, we can discuss the mechanics on your terms and in your terms.

Instead of providing an answer, you obfuscate and pontificate, then make UNQUALIFIED assertions in regards to my "belief."

Have I asked you to define something that does not exist or cannot be located or measured or illustrated?
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 10:31 #104

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The fulcrum is a shifting configuration , hence sesamoids & sesamoidean ligaments & the make up of the joints . . .
WHERE IS THIS STUFF LOCATED IN THE FOOT? :confused:
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 12:12 #105

PerformanceHorseshoeing wrote:
Cracks me up how some on here will jump on Travis's work and they themselves couldn't come close to his work. The worst ones are the "part-timers" LOL. You guys aren't qualified to sweep up after Travis.

whole-heartly agree;

I think Travis did the best job he could with the feet; and in front of others; nerves played a part and who doesn't have some nerves when shoeing in front of other farriers?!

I know what it is like to work on feet like that and no always do my shoeing jobs come out just right; but the horse is more comfortable; and you can not change everything all at once!!!

sometimes we forget that rule in shoeing:rolleyes:

There are a lot of part time farriers and some full time farriers who couldn't have do such a good job as that with feet of that brittle and wry.

Good job Travis! and thanks for sharing Phil.

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