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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 04:26 #61

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Eric Russell wrote:
Then you didn't make much sense. How would extending the shoe do anything besides add leverage to the heel? I don't understand, where the toe was set, how would extending the heels not leverage the heels?
Where the toe was set . . . OH that's right, we aren't allowed to leave the toe unsupported. That might shorten the ground force lever that lifts the toe on one end and crushes the heel on the other. That's against the "rules" and doesn't meet the "specification."
Tom, could you, me , phil, rick, tom,...... get a shoe on that horse?
I've gotten keg shoes on a lot worse than that. So have you, and Phil, and Rick.
Phil was in person at the clinic say the foot was in bad shape and the horse walked up limping. On the spot, in front of a group of poeple, could you have done the same work?
I wouldn't have done the same work and nobody is going to want to see me do it different so I don't offer. Yes it protected the bottom of the foot. Yes it is impressive to see somebody craft a shoe from bar stock and do a spec fit. Yes the horse walked off better than it walked up. Good job!

But in 5 weeks that foot will not have more erect heels, straighter bars, and a tighter white line in the toe and the horse will not be landing on that foot with confidence. For me that is a safe bet because I've tried doing it that way long enough to know what the foot and the shoe is going to look like in a month. It is so specific that the results are predictable.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 04:43 #62

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jack-mac wrote:
Tom you have a lot to learn & your physics & physiology lacking
I'm sorry Jack, you aren't qualified to converse with me on this topic.
as for shortening up the Toe & taking any more wall away
Why would you shorten up the toe and take more wall away? That's a silly idea. Besides your severe lacking in qualifications to discuss physics with me, you don't have any common sense either. The horse was already sore footed, Why do you want to make it worse by shortening the toe?
there has been a extreme dietary change in this horse & at some earlier stage the horse was over heated meaning, feed over excessive amounts of protein & carbohydrates
So you know all this about the horse because you were the previous farrier that allowed those feet to deteriorate. What a mess you made. Good thing Travis cleaned it up for you.
the shoeing performed on this horse at this particular time is what is only required till such time as the change in growth from the horses diet change balances out
Oh I doubt the owner is going to let you work on that horse again since you are using their feeding program as an excuse for your inadequate shoeing.
all in all its not a pretty job but a wise one, better that then one that was pretty & polished up & a lame horse
Well at least you've got the courage to admit that you are superficial and shallow and have enough sense to recognize when somebody has stepped in behind you and made up for your lacking.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 05:19 #63

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I'm sorry Jack, you aren't qualified to converse with me on this topic.
I think Melbourne & Monash Uni might disagree with you there ;) however your entitled to delude your self .
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 05:26 #64

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Where the toe was set . . . OH that's right, we aren't allowed to leave the toe unsupported. That might shorten the ground force lever that lifts the toe on one end and crushes the heel on the other. That's against the "rules" and doesn't meet the "specification."


Hmm, I thought you were responding to the thread. With the toe where it was .............
I've gotten keg shoes on a lot worse than that. So have you, and Phil, and Rick.

Stop, If you want come up and I'll take the pictured shoe off and you can replace it with a better shoe? Are you game?
I wouldn't have done the same work and nobody is going to want to see me do it different so I don't offer. Yes it protected the bottom of the foot. Yes it is impressive to see somebody craft a shoe from bar stock and do a spec fit. Yes the horse walked off better than it walked up. Good job!

Tom, I have the pictured foot. Are you willing to come up and fix it in the next day or two?
But in 5 weeks that foot will not have more erect heels, straighter bars, and a tighter white line in the toe and the horse will not be landing on that foot with confidence. For me that is a safe bet because I've tried doing it that way long enough to know what the foot and the shoe is going to look like in a month. It is so specific that the results are predictable.

But Tom, will the foo have more vertical depth? You're response seems as if you don't shoe many horses.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 05:56 #65

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Well at least you've got the courage to admit that you are superficial and shallow and have enough sense to recognize when somebody has stepped in behind you and made up for your lacking.

Tom I'm not beating up on you, I just think you have cause & the resolution proses in addressing it a little off & by that I mean having to keeping it straight forward & simplistic & not drastic over the top solutions that those at the clinic cant replicate in every day practice , your sounding over defensive & extremely emotional, I'm just stating what I see ,could I have shod that horse better of coarse I could , was Travis work of a good standard for what was presented for him to address, of coarse it was, has diet played a roll along with other factors, of course it has, I don't know how its gone from Rick's muck up to turning on Travis who's horse wasn't lame after the hoof was shod :confused:
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 06:35 #66

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Although I don't really understand what you are trying to get across here, there is rarely ever only one way to do something. Explain again please.

Mr. Bloomer,
No boats built, but did restore a couple.

I´m not sure anymore what i meant:confused:
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 06:36 #67

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I'm sensitive to people ripping on Travis when he shod a bad footed horse at a clinic and it walked away more comfortable than when it came in.

take it easy. I think travis did well with that bad of a hooves. and like i said earlier you did a good job too.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 10:41 #68

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Stop, If you want come up and I'll take the pictured shoe off and you can replace it with a better shoe? Are you game?
Sure, $650.
Tom, I have the pictured foot. Are you willing to come up and fix it in the next day or two?
Not available till next Tuesday.
But Tom, will the foo have more vertical depth?
Fooey mo' deepey when fooey no flattly. You showey money, me makey shoey.
You're response seems as if you don't shoe many horses.
I was off yesterday. New brakes and tires. I put about 26,000 business miles a year on my rig. I trim more than I shoe. But that's just chemistry.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 10:56 #69

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tbloomer-Sure, $650.


Hmm. for someone that has minimal business, but tries to run others, "$650 is a Gold Mine.....

Not available till next Tuesday
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I guess not! For someone who has minimal business can sit around, like yesterday and post 39 replies on 2 different forums starting at 6:00a.m est till 11:00p.m.

Fooey mo' deepey when fooey no flattly. You showey money, me makey shoey.

You needy to Go-Toey to workey. Someone mention they offered $300 a day for you to pull off and pull down to you; in the "World of Business", that cost you, just yesterday; $7.50 a post(approx); 39 posts....:eek:


I was off yesterday. New brakes and tires. I put about 26,000 business miles a year on my rig. I trim more than I shoe. But that's just chemistry.

Then you need to Go-Toey work
"Learning How" instead of telling "How":rolleyes::rolleyes:
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 11:00 #70

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jack-mac wrote:
. . . keeping it straight forward & simplistic & not drastic over the top solutions that those at the clinic cant replicate in every day practice . . .
Yep, I see stuff like that replicated in everyday practice. Right out of the text book.

Here's some right special stuff 6 weeks after it was shod by a clinician - the horse was barefoot and sound.

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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 11:07 #71

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I guess not! For someone who has minimal business can sit around, like yesterday and post 39 replies on 2 different forums starting at 6:00a.m est till 11:00p.m.
Yep, truck in the shop yesterday. I have special rates for special people.

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YOU WIN! :p
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 11:19 #72

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tbloomer wrote:
Yep, truck in the shop yesterday. I have special rates for special people.

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YOU WIN! :p

Yep, I do! Reason There is just a few of us that have been here since the VERY beginning.

Glad you can deflect your "Business Practices" and protray a papal oversight to "EVERYTHING!"; not bad for someone who has been "Trimming" (for the most part) FOR less years than Phil......
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 11:22 #73

tbloomer wrote:
Yep, I see stuff like that replicated in everyday practice. Right out of the text book.

Here's some right special stuff 6 weeks after it was shod by a clinician - the horse was barefoot and sound.


Well; it happens to the best of horseshoers, and it just goes to show that no matter "who" you are, how many years you have shod horses or the top skill level you have;

mother nature does what she wants to do.:(

He shod that horse beautifully too; if it is who I think it is.


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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 11:48 #74

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Theres no doubt the horse has been that way awhile, he didn't get that way because of the shoeing.

It appears that the horse was shod at a certification, so my geuss would be that it was shod to AFA standards. I will say if it was meant to be that way it was a hell of a job on that foot. When Dusty Franklin shod a horse at the cert. I was at, he stated that if he was shoeing the horse in everyday life that he would have shod the horse differently than the standard.

Phil you put those picks for the purpose of showing that superior forging skills will do more for a horse, am I right or wrong.

The horse was shod at a clinic. Not a veterinary clinic, our fall clinic sponsored by Horseshoes Plus. Your right about the reason why I put the pics up, however our expectations differ. Your looking for support in the back of the foot. I'm impressed he got those feet shod with handmades safely in a clinic environment in front of some strong personality's without wavering. I also gained a better appreciation for handmades. I do not know Travis personally, however from what I saw he would probably have no problem with your input if you were attending the clinic and be able to whip up another pair of shoes to extend more past the heels, without breaking a sweat and still smile while doing it.

Could you do that Justin in front of a crowd with feet that looked like that? I'm not sure if I could in the same situation. Would be fun trying though and I bet a great experience and educational. :)

With all that said, my hats off to Rick for stepping up and doing clinics. it is by no means an easy task and I have the highest respect for anyone who attempts it. Things can go wrong and people will always have high expectations and opinions.

**** if I were Rick I would have posted pictures of what I did right off and let the chips fall where they may. I'm surprised they are not up on here yet.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 14 Jul 2010 12:06 #75

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mr bloomer , who are you to say that someone is not qualified enough to converse with you ?
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