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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 01:08 #121

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jack-mac wrote:
Mark I think my self worth & credibility in life will still be in tact& ill heed your advice with the door :)

Salesman? Thought you were a farrier? Guess your one of those types of farriers!:eek::eek:
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 01:20 #122

I would like to see your shoeing work, Jack; and including your forging work.:)

I hope you share you shoeing soon.;)


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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 01:23 #123

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Jack,

Is your credential(Dr.) that of academia(ie: PhD) or of medicine(MD/DVM/DDS/etc)?
Rick Burten PF

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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 01:40 #124

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Actually I have a PHD also and am very proud of it! Post Hole Digger, sounds better than SS, S*** Shoveler!:eek:
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 01:44 #125

ladyblacksmith wrote:
I would like to see your shoeing work, Jack; and including your forging work.:)

I hope you share you shoeing soon.;)


Linda Muggleworth



ps, you might be a vet/farrier? and maybe a Ph.D in physics or some other science degree, Dr. John Mclaren
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 01:51 #126

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Rick Burten wrote:
Jack,

Is your credential(Dr.) that of academia(ie: PhD) or of medicine(MD/DVM/DDS/etc)?
still trying to look me up are you Rick, its as I stated when I first joined the forum BVsc BAsc . & you wont find me with that sir name on any UNI records if your looking , I was made award of the state by the do gooders at the age of two, but if you care to look under my mothers maiden name that I enrolled under ;) best of luck cheers
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 03:19 #127

Jaye Perry wrote:
Seat them out to deep Phil and it is just as bad as sole pressure.

Thanks for the feed back Jaye. I had to seat them out deep just to relieve sole pressure. I did mention to the owner that I would keep an eye on the horse and asked about the horses diet, because he looks a little over weight to me. Come to find out the horse has a lot of grazing and is still being fed grain. Suggested they reduce or even stop feeding the grain since he looks like he already has enough to eat while he is out all day. This time of the year I see so many that look like they are on the verge of foundering.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 12:20 #128

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Phil Armitage wrote:
On that day for that horse with those feet. I consider this good shoeing. Practical, common sense and a demonstration of great skills.

I wouldnt say the horse is short shod. Fit to the buttress of the heels maybe, but not short shod and he also fit for expansion.

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Armitage say's he's particular about shoeing horses for palmar support and finds the level particularly helpful in that regard.

"You're visualizing a line dropping straight back through the cannon bone to the heel. With the laser you can really see that red line" he says. " It might seem that a size 1 (shoe) fits the horse fine, but a 2 gets out to that red line."

Above quote is from the July/August 2010 AFJ

Congratulations Phil, but which way is it going to be.
Justin Decker

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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 12:44 #129

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cuttinshoer wrote:
Phil, those nail holes look punch right down the middle of the stock, with the addition of a few toe nails in a keggar I don't see a whole lot of difference in a handmade being better for that foot based on the pics.



I don't know him either, but have no doubt that he could get whatever kind of shoe he wanted on.



Yes, I did this one the other day with about fifeteen people standing around watching, granted it wasn't a clinic but I had an audience. Yes I could have done more for this horse. When they said they just wanted the hinds trimmed up and they were worse, I just stuck with the minimum, cost was an issue.
A little extra fullering, removed some clips, added some clips and a couple nail holes, and the shoe nailed up safely. There is still a lot of distortion in that foot but it will come out in time.

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just curios Justin ,were you happy with your heel length ? & is that the first time you have shod that horse ?
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 12:50 #130

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still trying to look me up are you Rick, its as I stated when I first joined the forum BVsc BAsc .
No Jack, I'm not trying to look you up and I had forgotten that you said that in the very beginning. Actually, I couldn't care less whether you are a doctor of anything or not. I was just trying to put things in proper context.
& you wont find me with that sir name on any UNI records if your looking , I was made award of the state by the do gooders at the age of two, but if you care to look under my mothers maiden name that I enrolled under ;) best of luck cheers
Again, your trial and tribulations in that regard are of no interest to me.

For someone who professes to be a farrier and a veterinarian you certainly seem reticent and obfuscatory any time anyone inquires of your background/credentials.

It is hard to take seriously anything you say when you have been so unwilling to be forthcoming with your work, client base, etc. Since each of us here provides services to the public, and our names and contact information is readily and easily available to all, one can only wonder what it is you are hiding. Again, it truly is of no concern to me but if you want to be taken seriously and be welcome in our 'community' then it is incumbent on you to act responsibly and in a forthright manner.

Again, what you choose to do is of no importance to me. You extended an olive branch to me and I'm trying to respond accordingly. In truth, it would be far easier for me to treat with you as I have in the past. However, I'm willing to go a different route if you are too. The ball is now in your court. Whether you 'hit an ace' or 'fault out' is entirely up to you.

Peace, Love and Nuclear War! :)

Rick
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 14:32 #131

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jack-mac wrote:
Mark I think my self worth & credibility in life will still be in tact& ill heed your advice with the door :)

Hard earned credentials and associated credibility of a service oriented professional practitioner are typically comfortably and proudly available for any public review.

Alleged credentials of dubious right and merit are more typically cloaked in paranoid explanations of privacy needs and substantiated with vague identifiers such raffle ticket stubs.

We've all seen examples.





Cheers,
Mark
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 16:40 #132

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just curios Justin ,were you happy with your heel length ? & is that the first time you have shod that horse ?

Jack, I wasn't to happy with any part of that job. As Bruce pointed out on the other thread the horse would have benefited from two more clips farther back in the foot. You can see my center punch marks where I was going to put them, but the horses behavior made me change my mind. I had also planned on some frog support, but due to his behavior he ruined all I had in the truck, so he didn't get it. It's tough to do a good job on one that's trying to paw ya. I finally refused to put the other shoe on until he was sedated, after he about took my ear off. Yes it was the first time I seen the horse and possibly the last.
Justin Decker

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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 20:38 #133

cuttinshoer wrote:
Above quote is from the July/August 2010 AFJ

Congratulations Phil, but which way is it going to be.

First off thank you and I enjoy our discussions. Nobody at home wants to hear it anymore. :) I find the laser to be an excellent tool, has helped train my eye to see conformation. I have a lot of horses I do where that line ends at the heels barefoot and will fit the shoes just past the buttress of the heels for expansion and growth, the support is already there. Fitting under run heels, it depends. Most of the time I fit them a little longer close to where a plum line drops from the back of the cannon bone, which is farther back than the center of the cannon bone. I believe that is a typo in the journal, that I did not catch when proof reading it. Most horses seem and I emphasize "seem" to go well with this setup. I have run into trouble with the heels showing signs of being crushed, jammed and/or sheared. This is where I agree with John Scruggs. You may want frog support to help the heels or fit just past the heels. Another option I find works well is straight bars with support, sometimes just a leather pads works well. John mentioned it depends on the hoof conformation upright vs. under run/low heels. It depends Justin, it does not have to be a certain way. Play around with different things on the feet your doing and observe. Their are so many variables, conformation, where the horse lives and what they do for a job. I'm not going to put extra length on under run heels every time just because someone says they are short shod if you don't. I have a situation right now with a big jumper I do moves better with support however he is turned out in very large field everyday with hills, swamp and about 10 other horses that like to run around and play hard. If I put too much shoe past the heels he pulls them. The lesser of two evils is to fit just past the heels and keeps his shoes on. I worry he might do more damage plucking a shoe one day and may seriously injure himself. Just one example several variables we have to deal with. Someone could take pictures and post them on the forum and I would probably hear he is not shod properly. Actually the trainer picks his shoeing apart and we finaly talked about why I shoe him the way I do and we now have an understanding.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 20:49 #134

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jack-mac wrote:
its as I stated when I first joined the forum BVsc BAsc .

Don't you need to pass English to attain these quals?

Hmmmmm.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 21:05 #135

cuttinshoer wrote:
Above quote is from the July/August 2010 AFJ

Congratulations Phil, but which way is it going to be.

Hey Justin, couple things I just thought about.

My comment in the Journal are just examples of how the laser can be used, nothing set in stone, I focused more about it being a good tool not an article on how to shoe horses.

I wonder when we talk about under run heels if we trim them the same? Most of the time when I am done trimming the heels are back and by the time I fit the shoes the support is there without extending the heels of the shoes. If your not trimming the heels back to at least the highest and widest part of the frog and add length in the shoes I would think this would do more damage than good. Same principles when wedging.
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