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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 13:08 #106

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I like how some people think everyone is attacking Travis, when the original discussion of the thread was wether or not superior forging skills give a horse everything it needs. Then we got the guys that want to get there blueprints out to shoe the horse. Horses are not mechanical things they are living breathing creatures. All you have to do is look at the horse and it will tell you what it needs, you just have to be willing to listen.

No one ever answered my question about this picture.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 13:24 #107

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in 30 years i have never attended a clinic inthe uk or europe where any clinician has thought themselves better farriers than any other man . every single one of them has always had the time, and unbelievably at times ,the patience to explain and make sure every process they are teaching us is understood by all participating .one point i have noticed as well , is that all of them , made a point of telling us , that what they are passing on too us , is their interpretation of the job in hand ,gleaned from hands on experiences and watching and learning from others . i would also like to say that every farrier i have met has always being willing to talk and demonstrate , even when they are at work they can still find time to pass on their knowledge ,truly a great profession to be part of
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 14:21 #108

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cuttinshoer wrote:
I like how some people think everyone is attacking Travis, when the original discussion of the thread was wether or not superior forging skills give a horse everything it needs. Then we got the guys that want to get there blueprints out to shoe the horse. Horses are not mechanical things they are living breathing creatures. All you have to do is look at the horse and it will tell you what it needs, you just have to be willing to listen.

No one ever answered my question about this picture.
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If all you see in Travis's work is forging skills there is no need to bother with your question.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 14:28 #109

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Hmmmmmmmm. Have I specified the type(s) of fulcrum(s) or the nature thereof or their locations? :confused: Show me where I have provided that information. Like the others, you make up stuff I haven't said and then argue against it. :rolleyes:

I left that definition stuff up to you. You get to define where things are and the rules for how things work. Then, using your definitions, we can discuss the mechanics on your terms and in your terms.

Instead providing an answer, you obfuscate and pontificate, then make UNQUALIFIED assertions in regards to my "belief."

Have I asked you to define something that does not exist or cannot be located or measured or illustrated?
Tom B I can read you like a book !!! If you bothered to take the time to study a hoof & limb in the first place & had the decency to listen to some one who already has for many years & offering that knowledge for free , in stead of running around half cocked trying to impress every one with your I have reinvent the wheel, you just might of got to learn what has been eluding you. Now I've had to listened to the cracked pot balloon nonsense & the more bio mechanical toe dumping nonsense, not to mention the front legs only support Inertia nonsense, what makes you think I'm going to be afforded any respect to firstly explain it in proper detail with out being disrupted harassed victimized & slagged off at & when I do battle on & prove the point or disprove some one else's point which may make them look silly, not be rewarded by being Banned. The fact is iv had a gut full of this forum & will be leaving it shortly & joining one that is a little more friendly with the conclusion of my time on here amounting to nothing more then a waste of time.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 14:46 #110

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If all you see in Travis's work is forging skills there is no need to bother with your question.

Nick, your not getting what I am trying to say. Travis done a great job if that was meant to be shod according to AFA standards. Look at that picture and imagine that shoe not even being on the foot. What do you see and what would you do to that foot.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 15:15 #111

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...The fact is iv had a gut full of this forum & will be leaving it shortly & joining one that is a little more friendly with the conclusion of my time on here amounting to nothing more then a waste of time.

Regardless your alleged tenure, have you even once considered the possibility that your frustration to develop consensus with your thoughts may be resultant your own inability to demonstrate via photographic or written content that your assertions/philosophies/comments are valid?

While I've never seen your work, there is a general perception, based on your own assertions, that any such visual would depict a hoof that is typically flared at the quarters, dished and long at the toe, long and under-run at the heels, hunter fit in all cases and short shod. You consistently scoff at the notion that an overly long phalangeal lever may not be in the best interest of the horse. You ridicule dressing the hoof walls to remove flares and subsequent stress. You chastise any who suggest removing excess heel to reduce tubule horn stress and lengthen the base of support. You refuse, regardless numerous requests, to demonstrate by photographic evidence, your alleged skill and associated tenure. Your grammatical and construct skills present at a level that would embarrass an elementary grade student and even refused for a very long time to identify just who you are in this world.

Now, finding few allies to support the notion that you have tremendous value to offer those seeking knowledge here, you once again warn us all of your impending departure.

I suspect said announcement will be met with the same sense of loss that would accompany the formal disbanding of the Internal Revenue Service.

By all means, best luck and as is oft warned in pubs worldwide, don't let the door slam you in the arse on your way out.

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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 15:46 #112

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Nick, your not getting what I am trying to say. Travis done a great job if that was meant to be shod according to AFA standards. Look at that picture and imagine that shoe not even being on the foot. What do you see and what would you do to that foot.

Who said it was shod to AFA standards? He supported and proctected the feet that walked up to him which were in bad shape to begin with. What he did was accomplish a good place to start. Not sure how much changing you'd want to do to those feet, less is more.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 18:41 #113

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in 30 years i have never attended a clinic inthe uk or europe where any clinician has thought themselves better farriers than any other man . every single one of them has always had the time, and unbelievably at times ,the patience to explain and make sure every process they are teaching us is understood by all participating .one point i have noticed as well , is that all of them , made a point of telling us , that what they are passing on too us , is their interpretation of the job in hand ,gleaned from hands on experiences and watching and learning from others . i would also like to say that every farrier i have met has always being willing to talk and demonstrate , even when they are at work they can still find time to pass on their knowledge ,truly a great profession to be part of
chris

When I was at Hereford Slim Symonns made a comment about how as a farrier we could travel to any corner of the world, and if we met another farrier, we could talk for hours. And that he couldnt imagine brick layers or electricians talking about the last job they did with any enthusiasm. Very true words, and it makes you proud to be part of it.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 21:38 #114

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in 30 years i have never attended a clinic inthe uk or europe where any clinician has thought themselves better farriers than any other man . every single one of them has always had the time, and unbelievably at times ,the patience to explain and make sure every process they are teaching us is understood by all participating .one point i have noticed as well , is that all of them , made a point of telling us , that what they are passing on too us , is their interpretation of the job in hand ,gleaned from hands on experiences and watching and learning from others . i would also like to say that every farrier i have met has always being willing to talk and demonstrate , even when they are at work they can still find time to pass on their knowledge ,truly a great profession to be part of
chris

Chris, that has been my experience as well. Never been to a clinic in UK or Europe, but have been to many in the US. Well said, my friend.

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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 23:21 #115

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Seat them out to deep Phil and it is just as bad as sole pressure.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 15 Jul 2010 23:23 #116

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Would anybody want to give a clinic reading some of the posts
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and then they call them selfs farriers:mad::mad:

SURE.
In this country it's call "Free Speech".:cool:
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 00:07 #117

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When I was at Hereford Slim Symonns made a comment about how as a farrier we could travel to any corner of the world, and if we met another farrier, we could talk for hours. And that he couldnt imagine brick layers or electricians talking about the last job they did with any enthusiasm. Very true words, and it makes you proud to be part of it.

I like the way you think Matt.
The difference is the ability to appreciate those who are successful yet approach the horse differently than I would. I am a clinician, but I do not pretend to have all of the answers. I am satisfied if I make the attendees think about shoeing in a slightly different manner.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 00:20 #118

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Who said it was shod to AFA standards? He supported and proctected the feet that walked up to him which were in bad shape to begin with. What he did was accomplish a good place to start. Not sure how much changing you'd want to do to those feet, less is more.

I tried to leave him out of the question but you brought him back up.

I asked what you would do with that foot if it didn't have a shoe on it based on the picture of the back of the foot. Maybe once we can have a discussion about the way different guys would handle that foot, that's all I been trying to do since the start, not badmouthing Travis. I have said several times he did a nice job, I myself would have done it differently. I probably would have used a bar shoe and some form of frog support for a couple cycles.

Less is more, but a 1/4 inch short in the back of a foot like that is a mile in my book.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 00:44 #119

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Regardless your alleged tenure, have you even once considered the possibility that your frustration to develop consensus with your thoughts may be resultant your own inability to demonstrate via photographic or written content that your assertions/philosophies/comments are valid?

While I've never seen your work, there is a general perception, based on your own assertions, that any such visual would depict a hoof that is typically flared at the quarters, dished and long at the toe, long and under-run at the heels, hunter fit in all cases and short shod. You consistently scoff at the notion that an overly long phalangeal lever may not be in the best interest of the horse. You ridicule dressing the hoof walls to remove flares and subsequent stress. You chastise any who suggest removing excess heel to reduce tubule horn stress and lengthen the base of support. You refuse, regardless numerous requests, to demonstrate by photographic evidence, your alleged skill and associated tenure. Your grammatical and construct skills present at a level that would embarrass an elementary grade student and even refused for a very long time to identify just who you are in this world.

Now, finding few allies to support the notion that you have tremendous value to offer those seeking knowledge here, you once again warn us all of your impending departure.

I suspect said announcement will be met with the same sense of loss that would accompany the formal disbanding of the Internal Revenue Service.

By all means, best luck and as is oft warned in pubs worldwide, don't let the door slam you in the arse on your way out.

Cheers,
Mark
Mark it seems you haven't got over your wound yet in regards to the wheels falling off with your physics, as for my grammatical skill level there's no denying it is at a very low level which I make no apology for, other then to say it's at a useful level for spotting those that tend to plagiarise & copyright ;) as for my work I have posted some on here & other forums in the past only to be accused of it not being mine so why should I bother, creditability doesn't come in to it does it ,when one's dealing with predetermine closed minds & friendly persons who continually brand you a troll, when ever you have an opposing opinion or disprove there opinion on any subject at hand, one of the major things I have learnt in over 40 years in the horse industry is a beautifully grammatically written answer doesn't automatically make it the right answer.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 16 Jul 2010 01:03 #120

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Mark I think my self worth & credibility in life will still be in tact& ill heed your advice with the door :)
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