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GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 03:09 #1

Re: Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic


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Rick I hope you have gained something from all of this

Indeed If nothing else I have learned the true mettle of several individuals.

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.......and have a different view on the benefits of forging skills.

What, pray tell, according to you, was my view regarding the benefits of forging skills prior to that clinic?

By the way Phil, As I am not the official spokesman for the Guild, I am unable to comment on matteers concerning the Guild. At this time, only one person is tasked with that responsibility. C'est la vie, c'est la guerre....
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Hi Rick, you have given me the impression that forging is low on your list of priority's. Here are a few photos of the clinic I mentioned on the "Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic" thread.

Sept. 2009 Travis Koons

The horse presented to him was a challenge for any farrier. Farriers attending the clinic were glad to see a horse most of us have in our everyday work. Travis made handmades and punched the nails where he could nail up safely. The trim and hoof prep was safe and the horse walked off better than he walked up.







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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 03:13 #2







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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 03:17 #3







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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 03:19 #4







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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 03:22 #5






Travis did a great job demonstrating how he would deal with poor quality feet using handmades. Highly skilled farrier and an excellent clinician.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 04:44 #6

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Phil Armitage wrote:
.... Hi Rick, you have given me the impression that forging is low on your list of priority's.

Nice photos Phil and clean work by the clinician.

I can't speak to Rick's forging priority but did notice that he took a recent "beating" on this forum regards his ability to properly shoe a horse.

I've watched Rick work and the man clearly knows his way around a horse, anvil and forge.

Here's an example of work he did at my place. It's not a handmade but he didn't nail it on "out of the box" either. Nice trim, good shape, lateral support, hot fit and nailed up proper from my perspective. ;)

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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 09:27 #7

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Re: Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic


Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Armitage
Rick I hope you have gained something from all of this

Indeed If nothing else I have learned the true mettle of several individuals.

Quote:
.......and have a different view on the benefits of forging skills.

What, pray tell, according to you, was my view regarding the benefits of forging skills prior to that clinic?

By the way Phil, As I am not the official spokesman for the Guild, I am unable to comment on matteers concerning the Guild. At this time, only one person is tasked with that responsibility. C'est la vie, c'est la guerre....
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Hi Rick, you have given me the impression that forging is low on your list of priority's. Here are a few photos of the clinic I mentioned on the "Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic" thread.

Sept. 2009 Travis Koons

The horse presented to him was a challenge for any farrier. Farriers attending the clinic were glad to see a horse most of us have in our everyday work. Travis made handmades and punched the nails where he could nail up safely. The trim and hoof prep was safe and the horse walked off better than he walked up.


Phil that looks like a good example of what Jaye was talking about the other day when he was talking about SPEC shoeing. He got a shoe nailed on a foot, that looks pretty typical for some TB's. What did he do to improve those feet.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 10:08 #8

Mark and Justin next time you run across a horse with poor feet, difficult to nail up maybe you stick em or get a close nail and your not sure what to do. Feel free to use these pictures for assistance. Tons of ideas and info in these pictures.

Justin, the question is what did he do to prevent hurting those feet? It was obvious what he did to help those feet, shod for protection maybe more can be done at a later date. Not always obvious what was done to do no harm. :)
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 10:41 #9

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Justin, the question is what did he do to prevent hurting those feet? It was obvious what he did to help those feet, shod for protection maybe more can be done at a later date. Not always obvious what was done to do no harm. :)

IMO he did nothing to support the back half of that foot, which IMO is the reason it looks the way it does. Without the support placed where it should be that foot will continually run forward and be hard to nail up. Yes he got protection on that foot that day, but what about six weeks down the road.

You can tell me if I am wrong Phil, but that foot is short shod and fit to tight. Look how much narrower the shoe is compared to the coronary band.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 11:19 #10

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Phil,

I was there and saw for myself the foot work on YOUR CF practical, and shoe fit, and finish all done with keg shoes. IMO, it was better WAY than that.

Are you trying to make the guy look bad compared to you? :confused:
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 11:35 #11

cuttinshoer wrote:
IMO he did nothing to support the back half of that foot, which IMO is the reason it looks the way it does. Without the support placed where it should be that foot will continually run forward and be hard to nail up. Yes he got protection on that foot that day, but what about six weeks down the road.

You can tell me if I am wrong Phil, but that foot is short shod and fit to tight. Look how much narrower the shoe is compared to the coronary band.

On that day for that horse with those feet. I consider this good shoeing. Practical, common sense and a demonstration of great skills.

I wouldnt say the horse is short shod. Fit to the buttress of the heels maybe, but not short shod and he also fit for expansion. Had many similar feet where I fit for support on feet like this and ended up loosing shoes which in the long run did more damage to the feet and set the horse back. In some cases I had no choice but to use glueons. I now put horses like this on a shorter cycle and fit tighter until the feet improve. Most do improve after a shoeing cycle or two and can fit for better support.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 11:37 #12

tbloomer wrote:
Phil,

I was there and saw for myself the foot work on YOUR CF practical, and shoe fit, and finish all done with keg shoes. IMO, it was better WAY than that.

Are you trying to make the guy look bad compared to you? :confused:

Lucky for me I did not get a horse like this. If I did I would have refused it. Which leads me to many thoughts on comparing the Guild and AFA testing standards. This would be a good thread to talk about it. Right now I need to get my butt out the door. :)
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 12:16 #13

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Phil Armitage wrote:
I wouldnt say the horse is short shod. Fit to the buttress of the heels maybe, but not short shod . . .
So you are OK with having 3/4" of unsupported horn (heel buttress to coronary band) hanging off the back of the shoe as a lever at an acute angle with the weight of the horse over it and the entire shoe engaging the ground force lever opposing that weight? What about that physics stuff, Fill?
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 13:46 #14

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Re: Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic
Hi Rick, you have given me the impression that forging is low on your list of priority's.
Your impression is incorrect.
Here are a few photos of the clinic I mentioned on the "Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic" thread.

Sept. 2009 Travis Koons

The horse presented to him was a challenge for any farrier.
If the horse I worked on had had feet in that good of condition, the bruha that ensued here would have been a non starter.
Farriers attending the clinic were glad to see a horse most of us have in our everyday work.
The same cannot be said of the horse presented at the Va. clinic.
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RE:GPF Clinic cont. 13 Jul 2010 14:02 #15

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Rick Burten wrote:
Your impression is incorrect.

If the horse I worked on had had feet in that good of condition, the bruha that ensued here would have been a non starter.

The same cannot be said of the horse presented at the Va. clinic.
Anyone got any photos of the masters handy work of the day.
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