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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 15 Jul 2010 10:57 #61

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I can interpret Aussie. :D

Dill = dimwit, i diot, mo ron... that sort of thing.
Darn! I thought he was referring to a pickled cucumber...;):p:)
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 15 Jul 2010 12:30 #62

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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 16 Jul 2010 22:11 #63

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A good number of horseowners around here wouldn't know a farrier from a furnace repairman. The trimmers and self taughts have it all over the furnace repairman when it comes to horses hooves. Show up, reference some concepts the horseowner is unfamilliar with, drop some names the owner has never heard of, and you're in the door. And they love to get together at barn and compare notes on how/why their horses are lame and what wonderful things their "farriers" are doing to fix them. For the record, I have no lame ones on my books today. ( I'll probably pay for that ). Have some chronic laminitics, but they are all currently comfortable, some doing light work. I just don't get it.

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Geesh Rick, your clients must be bored. Nothing to talk about. :D
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 18 Jul 2010 22:50 #64

Phil Armitage wrote:
Geesh Rick, your clients must be bored. Nothing to talk about. :D

LOL Don't mean to give you the wrong impression Phil.. There have been times, and there will be again, when it seems like the whole week is just one problem after another. I wish they would spread themselves evenly through the year, but they all seem to come in the spring and late fall and winter. I attribute it mainly to the environment.

Also, I don't do a lot of high end athletes. The problems I usually have to solve seem to have to do with gait problems, often rider induced.

I do have to add that I see more issues with the barefoot horses than the shod ones.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 21 Jul 2010 22:16 #65

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Honestly, if not for the Internet I would not know of the barefoot movement. I get the occasional email from a barefooter, or the occasional horse walking in (for shoes). The barefoot "movement" really exists for me on the computer screen, not in the barn aisle.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 21 Jul 2010 22:57 #66

reillyshoe wrote:
Honestly, if not for the Internet I would not know of the barefoot movement. I get the occasional email from a barefooter, or the occasional horse walking in (for shoes). The barefoot "movement" really exists for me on the computer screen, not in the barn aisle.

Pat, I have no doubt that this is your experience. However, I think a big ( unspoken ) part of the barefoot attraction is based on money. Also, most barefooters are not really performance oriented, or even used a whole lot in many instances, so if the horse is off, they just wait it out. I wouldn't expect you to see many of them in your environment. Wishing I was there. :)

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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 21 Jul 2010 23:43 #67

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reillyshoe wrote:
Honestly, if not for the Internet I would not know of the barefoot movement. I get the occasional email from a barefooter, or the occasional horse walking in (for shoes). The barefoot "movement" really exists for me on the computer screen, not in the barn aisle.

Agree with you Pat. In my small world no competition horses are likely to be persuaded to convert. Needs for traction, support and fear of downtime due to bruises or sore feet leave no room for BUAs.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 22 Jul 2010 02:11 #68

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Pat, I have no doubt that this is your experience. However, I think a big ( unspoken ) part of the barefoot attraction is based on money. Also, most barefooters are not really performance oriented, or even used a whole lot in many instances, so if the horse is off, they just wait it out. I wouldn't expect you to see many of them in your environment. Wishing I was there. :)

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Rick,
The barefooters I know charge more to trim than most farriers charge to trim. Are you of the opinion that owners are asking farriers to trim rather than shoe, or that owners are turning to barefoot trimmers to provide the trimming?

I would agree that people are more apt to skip the shoes in a tight economy, and opt see how barefoot works for them. I do think that people are more likely to pick up a rasp and trim their own animals. I do not think this will affect my business. I had two former clients who started trimming their own horses, but these are isolated examples, not a growing trend.
Again, I only see it affecting farriers on the Internet, not in their business.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 22 Jul 2010 02:14 #69

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Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:
Yep I remember just how easy it was in Oregon. :rolleyes: Driving round on a pleasant summer evening trying to find horses that looked in good condition and with good feed and well shod so you could go ask the owners what they did with their horses and who they'd used.

Must say though I've never yet seen a card in a feed store saying

"Outright hack available"

To be fair though my experience there is no where near as extensive as yours ;)
Sorry, just seen this post.

You're experience here probably isn't as extensive as mine but I'm not sure that should really hold you back. If you're ever in this neck of the woods and can't find a farrier, just sing out. I think we can fix you up to your satisfaction.

Edit: Didn't you post some pics of shoeing on your horses feet some time back? I thought I remembered you doing so but didn't see any such pics in your albums. Maybe you remember what thread it was in or could re-post the pics? I don't remember there being anything special looking about the work...kind of rough looking hand mades? Maybe my memory is just bad but I thought I'd like to take another look.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 22 Jul 2010 12:00 #70

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Rick,
The barefooters I know charge more to trim than most farriers charge to trim. Are you of the opinion that owners are asking farriers to trim rather than shoe, or that owners are turning to barefoot trimmers to provide the trimming?

I would agree that people are more apt to skip the shoes in a tight economy, and opt see how barefoot works for them. I do think that people are more likely to pick up a rasp and trim their own animals. I do not think this will affect my business. I had two former clients who started trimming their own horses, but these are isolated examples, not a growing trend.
Again, I only see it affecting farriers on the Internet, not in their business.

Pat, quite a few of my customers went from shoes in the summer to barefoot over the last couple of years.

I think it is the money, and we have some BUA barefooters (true believers) and trimmers ( can't do anything else ) around selling the concept hard, and some people just had to try it.

I've only lost a couple of clients to the trimmers, mostly my clients were asking me to just trim their horses. Not many around here will pay extra for a "specialized barefoot trim". I have noticed this summer that a lot seem to be going back to shoes - tried barefoot and it didn't suit their needs. That, and there were a lot of lame horses around due to poor trimming.

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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 22 Jul 2010 13:03 #71

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Western Hill Forge wrote:
Pat, quite a few of my customers went from shoes in the summer to barefoot over the last couple of years.

I think it is the money, and we have some BUA barefooters (true believers) and trimmers ( can't do anything else ) around selling the concept hard, and some people just had to try it.

I've only lost a couple of clients to the trimmers, mostly my clients were asking me to just trim their horses. Not many around here will pay extra for a "specialized barefoot trim". I have noticed this summer that a lot seem to be going back to shoes - tried barefoot and it didn't suit their needs. That, and there were a lot of lame horses around due to poor trimming.

Regards

I've only gained business from the "trimmers".

As I said, though, there seems to be a lot more barefoot horses than there used to be. Money is the reason most often given and those horses are being used as much either. People are going to fewer shows and taking fewer horses when they do go. that means less work for me.

A perfect example is a client of mine who just pulled her two horses out of the barn to put them in "pasture board" out of state. That's two of the very few horses I have there that are normally shod through the winter.

I know this forum is full of guys (in the middle of a week day) that talk like they're busy but some of the supply houses are screaming poverty and I keep running into lots of farriers who seem to have plenty of time to kill.

I keep talking about lowering my fees to get more local work but I keep running into guys that charge half what I do and they're crying for work. If I'm going to work half the week anyway, I'm glad I do it at double the price.

I generally think of this business as recession "resistant" but I think it's recessed now.

I'm not sure why but there also seems to be a huge flood of people who want to shoe horses for a living. I don't remember seeing that years ago. Don't get me wrong, I love the trade but it's hard, hot, dangerous, dirty work that takes a long time and a lot of hard work to get any good at. I'm not sure I understand it.

If somebody thinks they know what's going on, I'd sure like to hear it.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 22 Jul 2010 21:57 #72

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I'm not sure why but there also seems to be a huge flood of people who want to shoe horses for a living. I don't remember seeing that years ago. Don't get me wrong, I love the trade but it's hard, hot, dangerous, dirty work that takes a long time and a lot of hard work to get any good at. I'm not sure I understand it.

If somebody thinks they know what's going on, I'd sure like to hear it.

LOL I've noticed a lot more "carpenters" than ever before. A lot of them lost their job, bought a saw and hammer, printed some business cards, and hung their shingle. Sound familiar anyone? "It's the economy ******." ( not directed at you Mike, just a phrase that comes to mind and applies ).

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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 25 Jul 2010 08:16 #73

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
Edit: Didn't you post some pics of shoeing on your horses feet some time back? I thought I remembered you doing so but didn't see any such pics in your albums. Maybe you remember what thread it was in or could re-post the pics? I don't remember there being anything special looking about the work...kind of rough looking hand mades? Maybe my memory is just bad but I thought I'd like to take another look.
Yes it is bad.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 25 Jul 2010 10:02 #74

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Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:
Yes it is bad.

I guess my memory is fine. Here's a link to the pictures I was talking about. Do you have any more?

http://horseshoes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=187268&postcount=2
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 02 Aug 2010 21:59 #75

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I know this forum is full of guys (in the middle of a week day) that talk like they're busy but some of the supply houses are screaming poverty and I keep running into lots of farriers who seem to have plenty of time to kill.

I keep talking about lowering my fees to get more local work but I keep running into guys that charge half what I do and they're crying for work. If I'm going to work half the week anyway, I'm glad I do it at double the price.

I generally think of this business as recession "resistant" but I think it's recessed now.

I'm not sure why but there also seems to be a huge flood of people who want to shoe horses for a living. I don't remember seeing that years ago. Don't get me wrong, I love the trade but it's hard, hot, dangerous, dirty work that takes a long time and a lot of hard work to get any good at. I'm not sure I understand it.

If somebody thinks they know what's going on, I'd sure like to hear it.
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