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TOPIC: Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot?

RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 13 Jul 2010 17:30 #46

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Seems to be a wave of taking the easy way out all over the world ,because it takes a life time to become a farrier ,its the easy way out to just trim ,Not because it works Just because its the easy thing to do ....Lucky for some horses if they are not being worked at all ,but trimmed the right way ....
Sadly road to suffering for those that have to move /work ...if the owners become blinded to the fact that horses still move about even if all four feet hurt ....and can take alot of stick before the fall over;)

I am sure the scales will fall from the eyes, and it can be seen what is really going on....:cool:
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 13 Jul 2010 19:02 #47

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
The guy that said that only lived to be a 32 years old........
The bloke he got it from lived a bit longer apparently:

Nothing in the world is as soft and yielding as water,
Yet nothing can better overcome the hard and strong,
For they can neither control nor do away with it.

The soft overcomes the hard,
The yielding overcomes the strong;


Lao Tzu
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 14 Jul 2010 06:58 #48

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Ray_Knightley wrote:
Seems to be a wave of taking the easy way out all over the world ,because it takes a life time to become a farrier ,its the easy way out to just trim ,Not because it works Just because its the easy thing to do ....Lucky for some horses if they are not being worked at all ,but trimmed the right way ....
Sadly road to suffering for those that have to move /work ...if the owners become blinded to the fact that horses still move about even if all four feet hurt ....and can take alot of stick before the fall over;)

I am sure the scales will fall from the eyes, and it can be seen what is really going on....:cool:
Depends where in the world you are. There's folks who call themselves "farriers" there who have as much or as little or less training than some barefooters.

If we presume for a moment that owners are ignorant rather than intent on st upidity then there's a lot to be said for their actually being able to find a listing of registered farriers trained to a specific standard that's been endorsed.

There's no doubt that some go the barefoot way having pratted about trying to find what their horse needs in the first place.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 14 Jul 2010 12:11 #49

A good number of horseowners around here wouldn't know a farrier from a furnace repairman. The trimmers and self taughts have it all over the furnace repairman when it comes to horses hooves. Show up, reference some concepts the horseowner is unfamilliar with, drop some names the owner has never heard of, and you're in the door. And they love to get together at barn and compare notes on how/why their horses are lame and what wonderful things their "farriers" are doing to fix them. For the record, I have no lame ones on my books today. ( I'll probably pay for that ). Have some chronic laminitics, but they are all currently comfortable, some doing light work. I just don't get it.

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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 14 Jul 2010 12:28 #50

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Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:
Depends where in the world you are. There's folks who call themselves "farriers" there who have as much or as little or less training than some barefooters.

If we presume for a moment that owners are ignorant rather than intent on st upidity then there's a lot to be said for their actually being able to find a listing of registered farriers trained to a specific standard that's been endorsed.

There's no doubt that some go the barefoot way having pratted about trying to find what their horse needs in the first place.

There is no shortage of good farriers here or educational opportunities. It's not hard to find the "good" farriers either.

The difference is that a horse owner has the choice here. They can hire a farrier, trimmer or outright hack that offers the service that best suits them.

The backyard owners out here in the country are as likely to run a rasp over their horses feet themselves as they are to hire anybody. If they can't crawl under a horse themselves, they may just prefer the part trimmer who is willing to come out on an evening or weekend and run a rasp for $15/head.

There's plenty of barefoot horses just standing on the pasture keeping it from blowing away but I haven't see the BUA trimmers make much of a showing. They can't shoe them up for the occasional show or big trail ride and few owners are going to pay them big money to spend an hour sitting on a milking stool trying to get one trimmed.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 14 Jul 2010 14:08 #51

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I hear all this BUA stuff, and to be honest I don't know anything about BUA, we have never had a BUA trimmer to my knowledge in my area. I personally don't mind doing trims, I don't care one way or the other, shoes or trims, whatever. I can prob make more money off of trims if you figure it out per hour. So why would I care. We have not had the issues with these hoof trimmers around here. Every now and then we cross an owner who has been on the internet and has some questions about "natural" whatever, or barefoot is better, but their questions are handled pretty easily. I don't see trimmers being a threat to any farrier who has good communication skills. Its like being in a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 14 Jul 2010 17:46 #52

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I appreciate the responses and comments more than you guys know. Looks like this fad comes in waves, sometimes it seems prevalent, and sometimes not. I really cant thank you guys enough for the helpful feedback. For me, it is not more money than shoeing by any means, however it is certainly less driving. I would love to know how someone can charge $60-90 for a trim without only having one-time clients. I charge $40 and I have maybe thought of increasing it to $45, but that's it. For me, $60 is draft trimming and that money is well earned, believe me.

I had a client call today about a crack. She told me to leave it alone last time because she read that a barefoot trim would have it grow out. Well, she wants me to come and "take another look." So, there's a start. I mean, in the sense of, I think I know a bit more about hoof care than my clients. :cool:
Again, you guys rock. Thanks for helping out.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 14 Jul 2010 18:06 #53

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Peters Shoeing wrote:
I would love to know how someone can charge $60-90 for a trim without only having one-time clients. I charge $40 and I have maybe thought of increasing it to $45, but that's it. For me, $60 is draft trimming and that money is well earned, believe me.

It depends on a lot of things from the area to how bad the client wants you...the old supply and demand thing.

I get $50 at most accounts with some at $55 and some at $45. Very close to home out in the country, I do a few for $30 but I got $100 to trim one the other day. I've charged $80 - $100 for a few long neglected and nasty donkeys too.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 14 Jul 2010 19:22 #54

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
It depends on a lot of things from the area to how bad the client wants you...the old supply and demand thing.

I get $50 at most accounts with some at $55 and some at $45. Very close to home out in the country, I do a few for $30 but I got $100 to trim one the other day. I've charged $80 - $100 for a few long neglected and nasty donkeys too.

Hey Mike, wow, yea, I don;t yet charge for neglected overgrowth, but I should. It is way labor intensive, but fun to see it transform. How/why do you charge different accounts differently? Can that be explained by a farm-call fee. Has any client asked you..."What gives. You charged him $45 and I pay $55?"
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 14 Jul 2010 19:34 #55

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i charge a few account's differently. one account gets trims for $20 while the rest pay $45. reason being is that account mentioned has 70-80 mares on the farm this time of year. its a numbers thing with me.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 14 Jul 2010 20:28 #56

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Peters Shoeing wrote:
Hey Mike, wow, yea, I don;t yet charge for neglected overgrowth, but I should. It is way labor intensive, but fun to see it transform.

I don't usually charge for an "over-growth" but when I get one of those donks or ponies with 12 inch curled up feet and they're either two sore or just plain nasty to stand and let me work, I charge.

How/why do you charge different accounts differently? Can that be explained by a farm-call fee. Has any client asked you..."What gives. You charged him $45 and I pay $55?"

My accounts are spread ove a pretty large area and some are a lot more trouble than others. Not every job is that same, why should I charge the same?
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 14 Jul 2010 22:17 #57

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There are in youtube two very experts barefoters. One,called hoofrise writes in english only. The other,called LaRana writes in Englis or Spanish. Do you know? For me, they are very pathetics. They do not contribute nothing. Only say; "The most of the farriers haven't knowledge about the horse's feet". If the most of the barefoters uphold their ideas, their philosophie will rigth away dead.
Gabino Fernández Baquero

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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 15 Jul 2010 00:24 #58

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Red Amor wrote:
Hi Tom
I dont know the story in any form Tom just what the resulting injuries were to the lass
we all know of accidents involving realy good horses but
I supose a bull is a bull is a bull

Horses are funny things Ive one to do today that got a frantic thing about donkeys
If Ive been any where near oe or wearing the same cloths from the day befor or if The swetter I had on when last doing donkys and thrown it in truck and forgot n put it on the dill will act up like mad

Ive changed the appointment to do the dill first then the donky who I have to sedate otherwise she,ll kick **** outta ya
not alowed to sedate the horse

I give up, whats a dill?
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 15 Jul 2010 03:00 #59

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Txfarrier wrote:
I give up, whats a dill?

I can interpret Aussie. :D

Dill = dimwit, i diot, mo ron... that sort of thing.
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RE:Barefooters Taking Over again? Shoeing clients turned barefoot? 15 Jul 2010 08:09 #60

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
There is no shortage of good farriers here or educational opportunities. It's not hard to find the "good" farriers either.

The difference is that a horse owner has the choice here. They can hire a farrier, trimmer or outright hack that offers the service that best suits them.
Yep I remember just how easy it was in Oregon. :rolleyes: Driving round on a pleasant summer evening trying to find horses that looked in good condition and with good feed and well shod so you could go ask the owners what they did with their horses and who they'd used.

Must say though I've never yet seen a card in a feed store saying

"Outright hack available"

To be fair though my experience there is no where near as extensive as yours ;)
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