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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 08 Jul 2010 21:59 #46

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Doesn't matter.


just ,
"let sleeping dogs lay":cool:
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 08 Jul 2010 22:04 #47

Jaye Perry wrote:
Doesn't matter.


just ,
"let sleeping dogs lay":cool:

Agreed....
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 08 Jul 2010 22:19 #48

Brian, Thanks for the explanation. It's amazing how some facts ( like the horse needing to go back to work, no glue on hoof bottom and drainage relief ) can change a story. If I'm ever in your area, I would love to take advantage of your offer for a ride along.

Any thoughts on the plugging the hole with cotton idea?

Regards
Rick Shepherd

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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 08 Jul 2010 22:37 #49

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Brian, Thanks for the explanation. It's amazing how some facts ( like the horse needing to go back to work, no glue on hoof bottom and drainage relief ) can change a story. If I'm ever in your area, I would love to take advantage of your offer for a ride along.

Any thoughts on the plugging the hole with cotton idea?

Regards

Rick,

You are welcome any time. Nothin fancy to see, just attention to details and hope for the best.

"plugging the hole with cotton" ... Not needed and to my way of thinking might actually restrict any needed drainage.

Having experience myself with "pricking" and "nailing"......

I have always treated the site of a "prick" or bad nail and continued with the application. Taking care to let the owner/trainer/rider to inform me if there are any presentations of lameness. I have never had a "prick" or a bad nail once removed and treated turn into a lameness. Maybe I am just lucky.

I have however had close nails get by me that have wreaked havoc, caused lameness and in one or two cases caused abcesses.

We all have bad days and usually it comes in "threes" (at least for me).

I think we get carried away with the idea that good shoe fit keeps us from getting in a spot with a bad nail... I have found that even with good fit it can happen.

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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 08 Jul 2010 22:38 #50

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smitty88 wrote:
Tom i think you will find most times a farrier leaves the shoe off for
a few days
Frankly, that has not been what I have found on this side of the pond. Though I am tempted to give Mitch Taylor at Kentucky Horseshoeing School a call to find out if that part of their curriculum has changed since I was there 8 years ago. Seems to me to be something that could be argued either way and has risks either way.
its not that he has caught him with a nail but over dressed the foot
and poorly fitted shoes
I didn't get a close look at the shoe fit. Once the horse's discomfort was evident, Mr. Purrington stepped up and took care of business.

It was a long hot, humid, day. IMO Mr. Burten appeared to be quite fatigued from being on his feet lecturing and then demonstrating without a break for 5 or 6 hours non stop.
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 09 Jul 2010 00:22 #51

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tbloomer.....It was a long hot, humid, day. IMO Mr. Burten appeared to be quite fatigued from being on his feet lecturing and then demonstrating without a break for 5 or 6 hours non stop.

Did I mention~~ "let sleeping dogs lay"?:confused::(:mad:
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 09 Jul 2010 01:13 #52

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Tom i think you will find most times a farrier leaves the shoe off for
a few days

its not that he has caught him with a nail but over dressed the foot
and poorly fitted shoes

Agreed! So right Smit.
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 09 Jul 2010 01:25 #53

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Jake Whitman wrote:
Eric, Nick, if it sparks your curiousity, that much, why not sign- up, and get it done??? A few hand-made , shoes for you guys, should be child's-play!!

Jake,

You really think you show up and just do good work? Or do you think you need to stroke Rick a bit?

From what I've seen from Rick I refuse to allow him to take part in a discussion on how I'm going to shoe a horse.

The test interests me...............
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 09 Jul 2010 01:29 #54

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I dont know if its the heat or what but the c0ckyness is at an all time high around here lately
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 09 Jul 2010 01:31 #55

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Agreed! So right Smit.

ive never seen anyone leave a shoe off because of it.
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 09 Jul 2010 02:09 #56

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Can we see the president of the guilds 14 shoes?:cool:
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 09 Jul 2010 02:21 #57

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Can we see the president of the guilds 14 shoes?:cool:


LOL! Let's start with the basics shall we? That's anyone on the board!
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 09 Jul 2010 03:35 #58

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LOL! Let's start with the basics shall we? That's anyone on the board!
Ok. In the USA, Basically anybody that gets paid to put horseshoes on horse's feet is a professional farrier.
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 09 Jul 2010 06:57 #59

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Brian Purrington wrote:
Rick S., Chris B. and others.

Let me clear a few things up here so that you both/all can have your say with all the true facts pertaining to this issue.
In order to form an opinion one should have all information available.
Well, that's about the only truthful and factual thing you said during your entire recounting of the events.
1) This horse was not only "pricked"... Yes it did happen, but by definition "pricked" is when you begin to drive a nail, get a reaction from the horse and respond by checking your placement. If you see blood where your nail was driven that would be considered "pricked". Agreed?

2) This horse was nailed in both quarters at the third nail hole on the same foot... As in, the shoe was fully nailed up with six nails and the foot put on the floor. I point this out only to show that nailing options were now even more reduced.

That is an outright misrepresentation and lie. Make it again and you will indeed be answering to someone, other than me, for it. The fact is that its true I started the outside quarter nail and when the horse flinched, I stopped hitting, well actually lightly tapping, it. You were right there, watching and you 'mouthed' to me, "I think you stuck him with that nail". I responded "I agree"(or something similar) and said that before I pulled it I was going to see if I could get a nail on the inside to try and keep the shoe stable. When the horse reacted to that effort, both nails were immediately pulled and the shoe removed. You and I discussed the glue-on option and I was in agreement with you that because of the condition of the hoof, that was a good idea. You. as previously noted and to which you took umbrage in a private e-mail, graceously offered the shoes and the labor, and I accepted.

Never, and I mean never, were there more than the first two nails started in the hoof. The other hind(the left one) had already been nailed up and clinched and there was no problem with that foot. That shoe was only removed after it was decided to use the Sigafoos.
during the nail up there was some obvious difficulty with placement of nails. I suggested that an option would be to punch "finer" nail holes. My suggestion was rejected.
Damn right it was. I had already decided that I was not going to try to nail up that foot, something with which you agreed and then, as noted, offered your further assistance, which was gratefully accepted.
horse was finished and after some debate on the functionability of the package I was asked to "...."finish" the horse....." when I attempted to pick up the LH the horse would not bear weight on the RH. I picked up the RH and found blood comimg from both quarters.
No sir that is another twisting of the facts. There was dicussion, not debate. Further, you were not asked to finish the horse, you offered and your offer was accepted. And, while it is true that the horse offered some resistance after you initially picked up the hoof to apply the prepared cuff, it is also true that he quickly stopped struggling, stood quietly, as you were able to finish the application without much trouble.

That's another damn lie. The left hind was nailed up and finished before I ever started working on the right hind. And, you were absolutely not asked to finish the left hind because you were out at the anvil building the right hind for me. IIRC, Tom Bloomer offered to finish the left hind and I agreed.

And lets be clear here. You offered to be the "fire man" because you said you wanted to help and not just stand around. I accepted your offer and thanked you profusely for it.
idea to Glue this horse behind was my idea. Here were my reasons and I stand by them:

* The hind feet had little wall mass left to get good nails into.
* This horse's shoeing package required four points of traction.
* This was a police horse and needed to go back to work.
* The sigafoos cuff would afford stability for the now weak foot.
* The sig/cuff would provide options for dealing with the "insults".
* The effect of the applied traction on a weak foot would be negated.
* If there was a problem the sig is easily removed and I am within driving distance of the horse.
All valid points, most of which we discussed prior the the shoe application and with which I was in agreement.
I treated each site with iodine and uniprim. I relieved the rim pad directly under the areas of insult so as to allow drainage if needed. The horse was visibly more comfortable after getting the "sigs" on.
Until I began to nail up the last foot, the right hind, the horse was in absolutely no discomfort. I note, for the record, that at that time the horse had already been shod on three feet
this can be verified by several witnesses who were present on that day.
You'd be wise to remember that before you say anything more that is an outright, scurrilous and demonstrable, lie.
... have to take in all the factors of a job/shoeing before we pass judgement.
Someting you should have considered before you uttered your misstatements and damnable lies.

And, TomB., before you jump in here with your interpretation of libelous slander and to whom it does or does not apply, I think you should know that I checked with a competent authority, and you are incorrect.
Rick Burten PF

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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 09 Jul 2010 08:14 #60

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Eric Russell wrote:
From what I've seen from Rick I refuse to allow him to take part in a discussion on how I'm going to shoe a horse.
ROTFLMAO!! You've seen me shoe what, one maybe two horses? And that was at a clinic you invited me to attend as the clinician, and at which clinic, the second day, you were at least four hours late in arriving to get the horse(s) I was supposed to work on because, according to those who were with you the night before, you got so drunk that you couldn't wake up the next morning(Sunday) to continue hosting the clinic.
The test interests me...............
Good!. Perhaps the next time you stand for the test, you'll build shoes that cover the heels and don't create sole pressure, which is what got you stopped the last time you stood for the test.
Rick Burten PF

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