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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 03 Jul 2010 02:31 #16

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PerformanceHorseshoeing wrote:
Rick do you have any of the shoes you passed with? You must know those things inside and out.

Nick,

Don't fall into the trap. On rick's best day he can't compete with your work. Don't even worry about how he possibly passed a certification test.

I'm just bs'ing Nick, cause I already know you have eyes! ;)
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 03 Jul 2010 15:14 #17

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I know. I was just thinking, with all those shoes you have to turn in, you'd have to make a bunch to get them presentable. But why then make a mangled Zbar with a hose clamp attached to it?:)
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 04 Jul 2010 07:45 #18

Eric, Nick, if it sparks your curiousity, that much, why not sign- up, and get it done??? A few hand-made , shoes for you guys, should be child's-play!!
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 04 Jul 2010 12:15 #19

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Eric, Nick, if it sparks your curiousity, that much, why not sign- up, and get it done??? A few hand-made , shoes for you guys, should be child's-play!!

Sure would help if we could see some passing work. Must be some out there. Pictures of the actual work beats drawings and explanations. This is what the judges for competitions I have attended do. Make the shoes they expect you to make. Thats not too much to ask is it. Leadership by example.
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 04 Jul 2010 21:03 #20

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Rick Burten wrote:
There were three candidates. Each was successful in at least one portion of the exams.

The clinic is indeed a nice place. Dr. Myer used his digital x-ray machine and we got some interesting and useful rads. I'm hoping he will put them on a disc and send me a copy. If he does, I'll post them along with any photos that were taken.

Never being one to hide from the truth or facts, let me say that while I think my lecture on hoof deformities and [according to Rick] how to address/remediate them went well, I was not quite as successful with the horse that was presented for me to work on. The horse is a TB and presented in front with Hi-Low syndrome, major flaring around the hoof capsule, thin, flat soles and thinner walls. Radiographically, IIRC, there was ~11-13mm of sole depth and the orientation of p3 was with a zero to slightly negative palmer angle. I was able to elicit only a small, minor reaction from the horse when I applied hoof testers .

The trim from the sole side consisted of using a wire brush and the finish side of the rasp for a few quick strokes. There was some un-evenness in wall length that I wanted to address, and I felt the heels were running forward and needed to be brought back a bit and to establish a more solid degree of hoof wall. The hoof was then brought forward and the flares reduced. At that point, the foot was starting to look better gathered up, so I chose to shoe with a clipped Classic roller, frog support rim pad, bar wedge pad and Impression Material under the frog prosthesis. After the original shoes were removed, the horse was uncomfortable standing on the concrete so he was stood on a thick piece of carpet(provided by Tom Bloomer) and that took care of his discomfort. Once shod in front, the horse stood comfortably and relaxed.

The hind end was a somewhat different matter,. Though he presented with the same though contra-lateral Hi-Low issues, the left hind proved to be a rather straight forward trimming and shoeing job. I elected to shoe him with a deep seated, heel extension, rocker toe shoe.

The right hind(which initially I thought would be the less difficult of the two) was a different story. There was much less hoof to work with and after the shoe was fabricated, when I went to nail it on, I stuck the horse with the quarter nail. The shoe was removed, and in consultation with several of the farriers((most notably, Brian Purrington)) and Dr. Myer it was decided to pull the left hind and use Sigafoos glue-ons on the hinds. Brian graciously supplied the shoes and the labor to install them. In the end, the horse walked off sound, and remained so, as reported by the owner the next day.

All in all it turned out quite well and provided an even more interesting learning experience for one and all.

In the discussion that followed, there were several opinions as to how the horse might have been otherwise shod. All were valid and once again showed that there is more than one way to skin a cat.

I'm sure I have left something out, so I hope that those who were present will fill in any blanks.

Rick,
Thanks for your reply. I started this thread because I wasn't around when you all first discussed the horse and I thought that their was considerable diversity of views amongst the participants that would be of interest here on the board. If credibility of forging skill is required to continue this discussion I'm sure Dave Duckett's presence should suffice. Was there a discussion between you, Dave Duckett, Martin Kenny, et. al. that reached a consensus?
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 04 Jul 2010 22:28 #21

any pics of the clinic and everyone there and the shoeing and forging part?;)

linda muggleworth
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 06 Jul 2010 19:48 #22

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I do have some pictures. I will be putting them together soon ofr everyone to have a look. It was an RF exam so no forging was required at the time. I didn't photograph myself working a hind shoe at the forge, sorry. I could do that in the near future if anyone is interested :)

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 07 Jul 2010 11:19 #23

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i dont understand how you give a clinic and prick it nailing on . surely all nailholes are checked for their placement , one of the fundemental points of any exam criteria and for that matter the any shoeing
chris
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 07 Jul 2010 11:58 #24

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chris bunting wrote:
i dont understand how you give a clinic and prick it nailing on . surely all nailholes are checked for their placement , one of the fundemental points of any exam criteria and for that matter the any shoeing
chris

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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 07 Jul 2010 12:36 #25

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we can all have the odd accident and prick a horse but that is down to not paying attention , surely when demonstrating to people these are the sort of details that are of the upmost importance .you should fail exams through this sort of incompetence and it does not puvey a professional image when this sort of thing happens in an examination situation
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 07 Jul 2010 12:42 #26

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I was at a clinic about 18 yrs ago with a really good reining horse shoer and he got the horse atad short. NO one got on him about it, because everyone has and will do it. If someone says they haven't, my money says they are lying. Manure Happens, always at the worst time.;)
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 07 Jul 2010 12:48 #27

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we have all made mistakes, but you should learn by them . to demonstrate and prick a horse because you didnt check the fit and nailhole placement in an examination is pure negligence in my book . a professional should check and check again so in the end this sort of thing does not happen.
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 07 Jul 2010 12:54 #28

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I am sure it would be embaressing for sure, but every clinic I have every attended we ( the mob, crowd) could pick the work apart? I try to walk away with something from seeing anyone else work, even if it is not the right thing to do? I try to learn from others , mistakes included.:D
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 07 Jul 2010 13:04 #29

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i have attended 250 plus clinics/competitions and every clinician has always emphasised these basic procedures throughout the shoeing procedure . i have always been taught not to point out what i think may/should done differently but to pick up on the positives ,i have never left any shoeing situation without learning something new ,and long may it continue being this way
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RE:Guild Clinic @ Dr. Tookie Myers Clinic 07 Jul 2010 21:49 #30

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chris bunting wrote:
i dont understand how you give a clinic and prick it nailing on . surely all nailholes are checked for their placement , one of the fundemental points of any exam criteria and for that matter the any shoeing
chris

As indicated I was only there for a short while but can assure you that on a bell curve these feet would have been out at the very end. The walls were so distorted that when the flairs in the front hooves were dressed the perimeter was the white line and all nails were driven into the distorted sole. The hinds didn't look much better.
I'm sure that if Rick had to choose he would have picked a different horse. To make a meaningful change on such a poor footed horse in a clinic situation is fraught with significant difficulties. Credit to Rick for attempting it.
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