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Apprentice 10 May 2010 23:01 #1

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I was just wondering how everyone paid there help? Do you pay daily rate hourly rate or maybe a percentage of the day? I pay from $70-$100 a day for my guys. I was thinking of going to a percentage I was thinking that may be the way to go and it may keep guys more motivated. The problem I find with some help I've had is they see what an experienced farrier of over 20yrs makes and think they should get more even though they are getting paid for an education and some day may be competition. I'm all for paying a person for a days pay but they will potentially have a good career. I certainly remember the days when I was working my #@^&* off for peanuts but it's paid off it's just hard to get the help to see it.
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RE:Apprentice 11 May 2010 02:55 #2

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I think it "depends" on whether or not they are making me money? If they are riding along and I am doing my usual stops then if I pay them I am losing money, IMO. If I take on a new barn that calls for alot of extra horses, then I will be glad to pay the person 1/3 of the days receipts. The truck gets 1/3, I get 1/3 and the help gets 1/3. Now days I am content to do my 5 or 6 head aday and go home, don't need help for that. I have an open door policy for anybody that wants to ride along for the day. I invite some of the newbies from the local "Two Week Wonder" academy, but usually don't get any takers? Guess that they have it all figured out? :confused::cool:
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RE:Apprentice 11 May 2010 16:11 #3

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what the clients pay ,all tips and dinner now and again....is enough for me .....I mean they do get to learn...:DOr did i read the question wrong??
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RE:Apprentice 11 May 2010 16:55 #4

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Are you looking to know how much to pay an apprentice
or someone to give you a hand or some one to shoe for you
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RE:Apprentice 11 May 2010 20:00 #5

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I have apprentices and they vary in skill from pulling and finishing to putting shoes on school horses. I rarely let any of them shoe any of the show horses. I geuss I just wanted to see if I was in the ball park.
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RE:Apprentice 11 May 2010 20:16 #6

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Show Shoe wrote:
I have apprentices and they vary in skill from pulling and finishing to putting shoes on school horses. I rarely let any of them shoe any of the show horses. I geuss I just wanted to see if I was in the ball park.


how long do you keep them as app?
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RE:Apprentice 11 May 2010 22:49 #7

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I usually keep them until they know more than me lol. I have one thats been with me going on 3 yrs the others come and go. I've had a number of them they usually last about a year and then they try going on there own.
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RE:Apprentice 11 May 2010 23:55 #8

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when i did my three year apprenticeship i got a precentage plus all meals were paid for.
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RE:Apprentice 21 May 2010 14:04 #9

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I recieved a flat wage $250.00 a week and all meals paid. I also mucked stalls at the race track and ponied horses for my keep.

I was blessed but did not think so at 0330 when I was pitching straw.

At times a person must compare what you are teaching them and paying them vs. what they would be paying for to get the same education. Some apprentices feel entitled instead of gratitude.

Tony
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RE:Apprentice 21 May 2010 15:05 #10

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As a rider/help/apprentice, I consider myself lucky that I don't have to pay my mentors. ;) Seriously. I learn so much riding along, I consider my efforts in helping out essentially paying my tuition. Granted I really only pull and finish and do a little trimming as my education. I get lunch bought for me most days, and feel embarrassed to take that much honestly.
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RE:Apprentice 21 May 2010 15:50 #11

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aka "it depends" At the start, they get to ride along, load and unload my gear. When they get to be real help and double my gross up to 1/3 of my gross (1/3 to me 1/3 to them 1/3 to direct expenses-- only one ever made it this far)
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The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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RE:Apprentice 26 Jun 2010 13:39 #12

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Show Shoe wrote:
I was just wondering how everyone paid there help? Do you pay daily rate hourly rate or maybe a percentage of the day? I pay from $70-$100 a day for my guys. I was thinking of going to a percentage I was thinking that may be the way to go and it may keep guys more motivated. The problem I find with some help I've had is they see what an experienced farrier of over 20yrs makes and think they should get more even though they are getting paid for an education and some day may be competition. I'm all for paying a person for a days pay but they will potentially have a good career. I certainly remember the days when I was working my #@^&* off for peanuts but it's paid off it's just hard to get the help to see it.

need any more help? I would be happy to learn and work for the low end of that
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RE:Apprentice 26 Jun 2010 18:02 #13

It costs about $70K to train, educated a plater for the racetrack, these days.

so many don't teach anymore, union style:cool:; since you need to have worker's comp., full-medical coverage, dental [kicked in the mouth], full-pay with over-time pay, which is required by law in delaware, and full insurance on the truck for the apprentice driver, even if he/she doesn't drive the truck in order to have a plater's licience at delaware park.

In order to get around the old rules:mad:; many ride around or walk to the other barns following the first plater; but are not allow to get any horses; until after recieving a licience; which all you have to do is pay $30 fee; and recieve your licience; then they go with the other plater and pull and clinch in the shed row as they learn on the job. In a few weeks they are on their own to shoe full time.


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RE:Apprentice 26 Jun 2010 18:23 #14

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they did away with apprentice lic's down here linda. when i served mine it was a kinda duck and dodge kinda thing lol
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RE:Apprentice 26 Jun 2010 18:52 #15

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ladyblacksmith wrote:
It costs about $70K to train, educated a plater for the racetrack, these days.

so many don't teach anymore, union style:cool:; since you need to have worker's comp., full-medical coverage, dental [kicked in the mouth], full-pay with over-time pay, which is required by law in delaware, and full insurance on the truck for the apprentice driver, even if he/she doesn't drive the truck in order to have a plater's licience at delaware park.

In order to get around the old rules:mad:; many ride around or walk to the other barns following the first plater; but are not allow to get any horses; until after recieving a licience; which all you have to do is pay $30 fee; and recieve your licience; then they go with the other plater and pull and clinch in the shed row as they learn on the job. In a few weeks they are on their own to shoe full time.


linda muggleworth

Who could afford to take someone on with requirements and costs like that? See? The government is making us so safe that we can't even work anymore.
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