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TOPIC: The Mirage of the Natural Foot

RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 09 Jun 2010 17:04 #331

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I love the way persons just leave things out of there figuring to suit there model , what happened to the scapular lol
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 09 Jun 2010 17:26 #332

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Oh & how do those horse's get them self up to speed in the first place Denise with those pogo sticks , must be already stored in them LOL can't you see the rubbish in that hypothesis:rolleyes: & yes there is some elastic energy that takes place as one would expect when tendons are involved but that's not the be all & end all.
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 10 Jun 2010 03:08 #333

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DeniseMc wrote:
If the fronts were solely supportive during the gallop and not contributing to forward propulsion would it be possible to have a suspension phase after the "push off" from the last (leading) front leg?
Does the horse push off that front leg or, does inertia established by the hind legs carry the horse forward until the supporting leg has accomplished its job and flexes as the next phase of stride beginning with hind leg impact, occurs?
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 10 Jun 2010 03:29 #334

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Rick Burten wrote:
Does the horse push off that front leg or, does inertia established by the hind legs carry the horse forward until the supporting leg has accomplished its job and flexes as the next phase of stride beginning with hind leg impact, occurs?

It Depends:D:D:cool:
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 10 Jun 2010 05:47 #335

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Rick Burten wrote:
Does the horse push off that front leg or, does inertia established by the hind legs carry the horse forward until the supporting leg has accomplished its job and flexes as the next phase of stride beginning with hind leg impact, occurs?
What is it about gravity you & Tom don't seem to get Rick?:rolleyes:
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 10 Jun 2010 18:08 #336

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Perhaps someone will be good enough to explain how a horse with only one front leg on the ground at the gallop, is using that leg for propulsion..
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 10 Jun 2010 18:19 #337

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I notice I've never been put through a stable wall with a front leg, only back legs. There seems to be a quantum difference in thrusting power between these two appendages... certainly when I'm underneath them it seems so.
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 10 Jun 2010 19:44 #338

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LOL I don't know who wrote that rubbish, but the last 1,000 horses I cut up & boned out the tendons were attached to muscles for a reason.

Do you eat horses there in aussieland? :eek:
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 11 Jun 2010 02:35 #339

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This book was based entirely on incorrectly trimmed barefoot hooves. Barefoot has to be done correctly for it to work. Most barefoot trimmers are not trimming correctly. Most farriers don't even come close. So the book holds no value.
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 11 Jun 2010 08:36 #340

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You obviously haven't spent a lot of time reading the posting rules. If this describes you:

"From this point forward, anyone who espouses a "barefoot only, my way or the highway" philosophy is no longer welcome to post on these forums."

then stop posting on the forums. If it doesn't, then you'd best start posting with some advice that offers solutions, rather than simply popping up all over and telling everyone they're wrong, with no supporting evidence or explanation.

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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 11 Jun 2010 11:11 #341

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And lets not overlook the requirement that in the FHF section, you must use your first and last legal names as either your screen name or in your signature.
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 12 Jun 2010 02:30 #342

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
how you feel it's possible for a horse to propel itself , after forward motion has been established, while its radius, carpus and third metacarpal are aligned.

It's a simple question, try to answer it.:)

Tom, can you explain what you mean about forward motion being established? Motion is on an arch. As muscles push/pull speed increases and then decreases before it increases again.

The biceps and triceps should stabilize the limb if the radius, carpus and third metacarpal are aligned.

The muscles above the radius will help propel the horse forward. Is this really that difficult to comprehend? Just because the rear is the main driving force doesn't mean the front end shuts down.
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 12 Jun 2010 02:36 #343

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Rick Burten wrote:
Does the horse push off that front leg or, does inertia established by the hind legs carry the horse forward until the supporting leg has accomplished its job and flexes as the next phase of stride beginning with hind leg impact, occurs?

May I suggest you go hit the gym and report back to us. Do some exercises and see if other muscles besides the "primary" muscles you intended to work are sore the next day.

Just because one set of muscles are doing most of the work doesn't mean the other muscles just go on vacation.
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 12 Jun 2010 03:02 #344

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Tom, can you explain what you mean about forward motion being established?

On a lead.

Motion is on an arch. As muscles push/pull speed increases and then decreases before it increases again.

The biceps and triceps should stabilize the limb if the radius, carpus and third metacarpal are aligned.

The muscles above the radius will help propel the horse forward. Is this really that difficult to comprehend? Just because the rear is the main driving force doesn't mean the front end shuts down.


Do tell? Would you care to explain the exact mechanism by which you feel this takes place?
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RE:The Mirage of the Natural Foot 12 Jun 2010 03:21 #345

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
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Tom, can you explain what you mean about forward motion being established?

On a lead.

No, I call BS on that. Hmmmm, what does a muscle do after in contracts. Do tell? How does a horse maintain speed if the muscle is not contracting?

Motion is on an arch. As muscles push/pull speed increases and then decreases before it increases again.

The biceps and triceps should stabilize the limb if the radius, carpus and third metacarpal are aligned.

The muscles above the radius will help propel the horse forward. Is this really that difficult to comprehend? Just because the rear is the main driving force doesn't mean the front end shuts down.
Do tell? Would you care to explain the exact mechanism by which you feel this takes place?

Please explain how speed does not decrease after initial increase. Do tell? And please explain "exactly" how this happens?

Please explain how the body goes over the limb without the muscles of the scapula contracting.

Tom, take a break from asking the questions and answer some for a change.
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