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RE:some pics from the clinic 01 Apr 2010 12:23 #46

Bob;
It seems like the heels were covered. It also looks like ithas a small rocker.
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RE:some pics from the clinic 01 Apr 2010 13:39 #47

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Jake, that second horse is far from being a peanut roller. It actually is the differance between the two. If my cow horse carried her head like the dressage horse, she would loose every cow that tried her. If she had her head in the peanut roller position she would also be out of position and loose the cow. Horses do balance themselves with their necks and heads. Farriers do need to ride differance disiciplines to understand them better. I sure hate them postage seat saddles tho!:D
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RE:some pics from the clinic 01 Apr 2010 15:30 #48

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
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RE:some pics from the clinic 01 Apr 2010 16:28 #49

Hieriathric? :D


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RE:some pics from the clinic 01 Apr 2010 19:34 #50

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I think that means a bald guy who marches to the beat of his own drum and shoes world class reiners that sometimes wear bananas(hoes). But I could be wrong:eek: :)
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RE:some pics from the clinic 01 Apr 2010 19:43 #51

Rick Burten wrote:
I think that means a bald guy who marches to the beat of his own drum and shoes world class reiners that sometimes wear bananas(hoes). But I could be wrong:eek: :)

I know, I know I get carried away. But I'm not necessarily wrong :D As shoers we can do way more for a horse than any trainer or vet can. Let's be damned sure we can live up to that responsibility.


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RE:some pics from the clinic 01 Apr 2010 21:00 #52

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Appears that clip was not angled and hot fit???? Another disappointment!
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RE:some pics from the clinic 01 Apr 2010 22:48 #53

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
I know, I know I get carried away. But I'm not necessarily wrong :D As shoers we can do way more for a horse than any trainer or vet can. Let's be damned sure we can live up to that responsibility.


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Yeah, if only...

1/ most horseshoers
2/ most horseowners
3/ most vets

...realised that, we would be more loved.

(and we could charge a whole bunch more!!!!! :D:D:D)
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RE:some pics from the clinic 03 Apr 2010 23:30 #54

BPethick wrote:
After seeing the solar surface picture I totally agree that the shoe is too far forward and I or John would not have shod the horse (foot) in this manner.
(Covering the heels would have been nice):confused:

What do you mean by covering the heels Bob? It appears the ground surface of the heels are covered. I have posted pictures of my work in the past and have received the same comment.
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RE:some pics from the clinic 04 Apr 2010 00:00 #55

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Phil Armitage wrote:
What do you mean by covering the heels Bob? It appears the ground surface of the heels are covered. I have posted pictures of my work in the past and have received the same comment.

I would fit this horse to the origin or the widest part of the frog.
Lengthening the base of support and helping to center the hoof around the COA.
IMO this would be where the buttress or point of heel would be on a nondistorted foot. It is a guideline I use when fitting feet with underrun heels that was cited as a reference point by Dave Duckett back when I first met him in the mid 80's.
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Only those who have the patience to do things perfectly will acquire the skill to do difficult things easily...
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RE:some pics from the clinic 04 Apr 2010 00:17 #56

Ya know I really don't have enough knowledge to participate in this conversation, but have picked up a lot of food for thought.


Ron - I sure wish I could come spend a winter cleaning up after you so I could soak up some of your knowledge about reiners.

But, I have cows to feed and your a long way from Kansas. LOL

Gary - I would also like to spend some time packing your truck. Most of the using horses I shoe are cow ponys, I am hoping to move in the direction of cutters and reiners.

Seems like most of the time I am relieving break over to help keep a collected and round in the back, however I usually end up shoeing tight around the heal to keep shoes on these pasture horses.

I often feel like I need more support but when I try it, I come up short a shoe.

I guess the main reason for writing this post is to say...........

Thanks for sharing your knowledge here, it gives me a lot to think about and try.
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RE:some pics from the clinic 04 Apr 2010 01:20 #57

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I would fit this horse to the origin or the widest part of the frog.
Lengthening the base of support and helping to center the hoof around the COA.
IMO this would be where the buttress or point of heel would be on a nondistorted foot. It is a guideline I use when fitting feet with underrun heels that was cited as a reference point by Dave Duckett back when I first met him in the mid 80's.
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I agree with this. As an engineer, I sort of knew where I wanted caudle support to be, couldn't understand why mother nature didn't always agree with me, then when Gene talked about the hard dry frog of a feral horse being a support mechanism it began to click. Mother nature and I did agree, she just had a different method of getting it back there.
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RE:some pics from the clinic 04 Apr 2010 01:48 #58

I have never given a clinic before to other horseshoers but have talked to some clinicians and understand that it can be tough to do your best shoeing in front of a crowd while talking.
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RE:some pics from the clinic 04 Apr 2010 02:02 #59

BPethick wrote:
I would fit this horse to the origin or the widest part of the frog.
Lengthening the base of support and helping to center the hoof around the COA.
IMO this would be where the buttress or point of heel would be on a nondistorted foot. It is a guideline I use when fitting feet with underrun heels that was cited as a reference point by Dave Duckett back when I first met him in the mid 80's.

Thanks Bob

I agree with you on the fit and I like to do the same. What are your thoughts on the trim when dealing with a distorted foot, under run heels?

Woud you trim the heels down more? It appears they could come down more and gain more support. Which would decrease the amount of shoe beyond the heels. The blue line is where I would fit the shoe, but I would have trimmed the heels back a little more.

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RE:some pics from the clinic 04 Apr 2010 02:33 #60

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Jason, I think Ron would agree with me but shoeing the hindend of a performance horse is where it is at. Main thing up front is to get them out of the way of the hinds?:cool: I stick quite a bit out behind on the fronts and loose no more shoes than the next guy??
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