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RE:some pics from the clinic 28 Mar 2010 14:55 #16

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Gary Hill wrote:
Smitty, are those keg shoes? The clips look like they are?

Yes Gary those are machine shoes
he shod the horse all round with machine shoes
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RE:some pics from the clinic 29 Mar 2010 11:11 #17

How did You like the clinic?
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RE:some pics from the clinic 29 Mar 2010 16:56 #18

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for me a bit disappointing
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RE:some pics from the clinic 29 Mar 2010 18:44 #19

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I was Just wondering If he was not on top form ...I have seen other work he does lots of times ....say no more:cool:
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RE:some pics from the clinic 29 Mar 2010 18:50 #20

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for me a bit disappointing

please don't be so hard on yourself.

even if you under the weather and not 100 percent your best;

YOU are 100 times better than most shoers at their best, and they still can't compare to you, smitty, and
I always learn and pick up something new from you every time I see your work:)

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RE:some pics from the clinic 29 Mar 2010 18:53 #21

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Linda i was not giving the clinic
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RE:some pics from the clinic 29 Mar 2010 20:15 #22

smitty88 wrote:
Linda i was not giving the clinic

doesn't matter, you were in it.
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RE:some pics from the clinic 30 Mar 2010 19:42 #23

smitty88 wrote:
for me a bit disappointing

I told you so :D

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RE:some pics from the clinic 30 Mar 2010 19:57 #24

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Rob shoes some of the Top Dressage horses in the world.
I think his work speaks for itself. Good Basics, sole depth, support, mechanics.
He is really good at keeping horses comfortable and sound for their job.
I strive to do the same...
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RE:some pics from the clinic 31 Mar 2010 03:59 #25

Rob is a good shoer but forging wise he's not in Smitty's league :rolleyes: Neither am I by the way :D
And for me, I absolutely disagree on the mechanics shown in the pics posted. But then again I only shoe some of the top reiners in this world not dressage horses :D


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RE:some pics from the clinic 31 Mar 2010 11:34 #26

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
Rob is a good shoer but forging wise he's not in Smitty's league :rolleyes: Neither am I by the way.
And for me, I absolutely disagree on the mechanics shown in the pics posted. But then again I only shoe some of the top reiners in this world not dressage horses :D


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Hmmmm... Two Farriers that are not great at forging, that shoe the top competitive horses in the world. :eek: Interesting.

I am pretty sure you would not agree with the mechanics in Smitty's shoeing or mine for that matter... ;)
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RE:some pics from the clinic 31 Mar 2010 12:24 #27

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smitty88 wrote:
for me a bit disappointing
Would you elaborate a bit more please. Why was it disappointing and what were your expectations?

Thanks.

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RE:some pics from the clinic 31 Mar 2010 17:46 #28

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Hmmmm... Two Farriers that are not great at forging, that shoe the top competitive horses in the world. :eek: Interesting.

I am pretty sure you would not agree with the mechanics in Smitty's shoeing or mine for that matter... ;)

Shoeing reiners -QH's- means working with lopers. What a loper needs is help to use its abdominal muscles. Lowering heels makes it harder on a horse to round its back. A straight HPA is vital on a show reiner. Without it he won't stop or turn long enough to get him trained long enough to make it in the big shows. Rob shoes dressage horses. An whole other ball game. A dressage horse gets away with a dorsi flexed back. In fact the required body posture dressage people are looking for forces a horse to hollow its back.

My centering the shoe around the COA has got to do with this too. A short support length and a long breakover length as demonstrated in Rob's shoeing makes breakover harder. Especially in a soft footing because the heels get pushed in the dirt. As a result a horse will hollowing its back to compensate for the more difficult breakover.

The fact that horses in certain disciplines get away with shoeing that do not meet the mechanics that support them in a correct way does not mean that horse is well shod. In fact I can prove that a race horse will be faster when shod with a long breakover lever and a short support length. If I would shoe a race horse like I shoe a reiner that race horse no doubt will be less fast. This all has to do with dorsi flexing the back. But this does not mean its good for a race horse in the long run (no pun intended ;))

A shoer must know when he shoes a horse in a way that reduces caudal support. But he needs to know why as well. If your mechanics are like Rob's you may need to give it some thought why that works for you. You may find that this has to do with hollowing the back. Because it gives this "nice" flowing/elastic appearance when the horse trots, where what really happpens is that a hollowed back is held from over-flexing by the abdominal muscles.) If that's what your looking for as dressage people are, you need to shoe a horse the way Rob did. Which is fine, this is not about how a horse must be shod, its the result of a particular shoeing that counts. I shoe competitive horses, and I shoe them the way they perform best and keeps them sound as long as possible. Not the other way around. :eek: But again, a shoer needs to know the when and why.


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RE:some pics from the clinic 31 Mar 2010 18:25 #29

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
Rob shoes dressage horses. An whole other ball game. A dressage horse gets away with a dorsi flexed back. In fact the required body posture dressage people are looking for forces a horse to hollow its back.

This might be at a bit of a tangent, but that's not quite right. While it is indeed true that many dressage horses do "get away with" a dorsi-flexed/hollow back and that many riders are forcing a posture that guarantees this, it is in fact incorrect.

The dressage horse should also use its abdominal muscles and go with a rounded back.

**says he whose wife is a hi-brow dressage trainer**

But that's a whole 'nuther can of worms... for a different forum perhaps. :o
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RE:some pics from the clinic 31 Mar 2010 18:35 #30

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Anthony_Lawrence wrote:
This might be at a bit of a tangent, but that's not quite right. While it is indeed true that many dressage horses do "get away with" a dorsi-flexed/hollow back and that many riders are forcing a posture that guarantees this, it is in fact incorrect.

The dressage horse should also use its abdominal muscles and go with a rounded back.

**says he whose wife is a hi-brow dressage trainer**

But that's a whole 'nuther can of worms... for a different forum perhaps. :o

I would go with this aswell ...I have never heard that a dressage horse is riden to have a hollow back ...?
I have always been around dressage horses and have only ever heard of building bridges as the saying goes ..
But before I go on any more I will ask Ruth Giffels next week...
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