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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 12:54 #76

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
hotrodiesel;195808 wrote:

Where do you guys find bar stock so cheap? I paid a lot more than that and I can't find 5/16 X 3/4 for any reasonable price...somewhere around $2/foot. The place down by you quoted like $1.30/foot but that's a long way to go to pick up steel.

I haven't been able to get down there in person yet, but will get something figured out next week, I am out of town at the moment, you have to talk to the right person most of them don't want to do business with you.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 14:42 #77

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hotrodiesel wrote:
I need to know what you would charge for a full set of shoes with barshoes up front.
I would charge $110. $90 is my standard shoeing charge, $20 for the cost of the specialty shoe.

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And then we can compare it to what I would charge, which I can tell you, I just put new egg bars on a horse that cost her 240 dollars.
Its hard to compare cost because you have to charge what the market will bare in your area. I guarantee you that the market would not bare $240 in my area unless your at the vet clinic applying a special therapeutic package.

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It took me 45 minutes to shoe her horse, in which I had the shoes made up ahead of time. I made them at my shop. It took me about 30 minutes to make them. I dont count my time in the shop as labor.
That usually the problem. The excuss is since I enjoy it and I'm going to do it anyway why should I figure the labor cost into the making of the shoe?

The answer is: If your going to compare the cost of something you comparison has to be equal. The factory has the total cost, Labor, material, and overhead, figured in to the shoe price. Therefore, before you can say you can make it cheaper you have to figure in all the costs as well.

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It's not any different than you sitting on your PC reading. Just time spent in different ways.
Not much at all. But still why would you not want to pass of the actual cost of the shoe to your customer. That way you get paid for your shop time as well.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 15:14 #78

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I know it doesn't matter to some of you guys 'n gals, but I think it might be interesting to count the number of hammer strikes it takes to get a shoe from bar stock to ready to nail on. A few of us due to various and sundry body part malfunctions do try to limit how much and how hard we have to hit a piece of steel to accomplish the task at hand.

Beyond that, I think that this is a pointless argument. We each do that which serves our needs and I think that's just fine. Those who like to build most/all shoes from scratch, I say good on you. Those who use keggers, I say good on you too. And for those who do some of each, I say good on you too.

In the past, one of the most divisive discussions farriers have had is over hand forging vs keg shoeing. There has been a cult of elitist attitudes emanating from one side which only raises the ire of the other side. Years ago, it was one of the 'bones of contention' that hurt the AFA and kept many a good farrier from joining.

Personally,. I think the forge work of guys like Dan, or Philip or Michael or
Smitty, et al, is marvelous and a joy to behold. Like many others, I can build a shoe from bar stock(though it certainly isn't in the same class as the afore mentioned guys), put use more keggers than not because it works, and works well for me.

I'm looking forward to the upcoming April clinic and will do my best to be there. But if its going to turn out to be an 'us vs them' and a 'holier than thou'/ 'stand in judgment' clinic, just tell me now so I don't waste my time.

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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 16:21 #79

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Rick Burten wrote:
I'm looking forward to the upcoming April clinic and will do my best to be there. But if its going to turn out to be an 'us vs them' and a 'holier than thou'/ 'stand in judgment' clinic, just tell me now so I don't waste my time.

Rick

It is not going to be like that Rick, Dan and I work together two-three days a week, we each do things differently, just giving each other a hard time. I know I can weld a bar in a shoe quicker than one can be handmade start to finish(and Dan is fast), He knows he can beat me under a horse.(I don't get in a hurry) We both know if one of us is challenged, we are not going to back down, just friendly competition.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 18:08 #80

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Rick,

It wont be like that. Justin and I are having fun. I have no holier than thou attitude. I use kegger's everyday. The only handmade shoes I use are therapeutic type applications.:D Besides after thinking about it last night, I secretly came to the conclusion that I might lose this bet.:eek::D
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 18:11 #81

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Gary_Miller wrote:

Not much at all. But still why would you not want to pass of the actual cost of the shoe to your customer. That way you get paid for your shop time as well.

Gary

Do you get paid for your time sitting here looking at pictures and figuring out how to do things?
You want to count time in the shop as labor. Why doesnt reaqding these forums count as labor costs?

There is no difference.

And I did pass the actual cost of the shoe to the customer. She was charged an extra 100 bucks for the handmades.

How do you pass the cost of reading these forums off to your customer's?
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 22:20 #82

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hotrodiesel wrote:
Gary

Do you get paid for your time sitting here looking at pictures and figuring out how to do things?
You want to count time in the shop as labor. Why doesnt reaqding these forums count as labor costs?

There is no difference.

And I did pass the actual cost of the shoe to the customer. She was charged an extra 100 bucks for the handmades.

How do you pass the cost of reading these forums off to your customer's?

I don't count time in the shop as labor if I'm screwing around building things I want to build. It's practice and fun and I'm likely to put what I build on a horse without charging extra for it.

On the other hand, I sell the toe weights I make for the horses that need toe weights or other "special" shoes for $50/pair. I'm not fast enough so if I build them from bar stock instead of blanks, I'm making less charging $50/pair than I would make under a horse. They ain't getting them for free though.
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RE:What does it cost you? 15 Mar 2010 18:29 #83

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Linda,

I make mine up in the shop ahead of time also. I can get by pretty well with full and half sizes for all feet. I charge about $20 per pair to the customer, which is a good deal for them, and a small profit for me, and I get to practice for free. I can also chuck the ones I mess up, and it doesn't take time or look incompetant at the customer site. It also impresses the heck out of most people around here, who have never seen anything but keg shoes.

Regards

the fire department doesn't allow that here; unless you have a separate professional building away from other houses in the neighborhood, I live in suburbia, not on a farm anymore.
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RE:What does it cost you? 15 Mar 2010 18:30 #84

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This is true. Proper fitting is often a problem. I'd disagree that they look nice. Most of them are pretty crude and roughly finished, certainly nowhere near worth their cost.

All true. When yours truly was at the track we got about the same for bars as for a shoeing job. Figure it took about a half hour to get one shod and it took about that long to make a pair of bars. Therefore it doubled the price of a shoeing job. By time and labor we thought it fair. Seems whole problem here is not too many guys charge what they should for these things.

Yes, $20-$30 for inferior shoes compared to $2 in steel for a good high quality pair is pretty foolish. And yes Western you're right, no self respecting horseshoer uses store bought bar shoes.
George

I was brought up that hand-mades cost $500 to shoe!
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RE:What does it cost you? 15 Mar 2010 18:46 #85

hotrodiesel wrote:

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Well I'm not the sharpest tool on the shed.

I bought 40 feet of 3/8x3/4 for under 25 bucks. Let's consider we are making barshoes from 14" of stock. That is less than two dollars. Propane might cost a couple bucks. Borax is next to nothing cost wise. I havent bought a barshoe in many years so I dont know what they cost.

I need to know what you would charge for a full set of shoes with barshoes up front. And then we can compare it to what I would charge, which I can tell you, I just put new egg bars on a horse that cost her 240 dollars. It took me 45 minutes to shoe her horse, in which I had the shoes made up ahead of time. I made them at my shop. It took me about 30 minutes to make them. I dont count my time in the shop as labor. It's not any dIffernet than you sitting on your PC reading. Just time spent in different ways.

just bought #0-#1 delta steel barshoes for $10 ea.
just bought #0-#1 JB aluminum wedge barshoes for $13 ea.
and bought #0 JB aluminum barshoe for $10 ea.

Total cost: $155.00 for these shoes pre-made. I charge a good price for putting them on. Hand-mades cost more money.

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RE:What does it cost you? 15 Mar 2010 19:14 #86

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by Garys def of what to charge for it looks as if i need to add in my time on the throne due to the fact there is a farrier book beside it and i pick up each time... maybe list it on the bill as throne education...$5.00
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RE:What does it cost you? 15 Mar 2010 21:45 #87

Travis Reed wrote:
by Garys def of what to charge for it looks as if i need to add in my time on the throne due to the fact there is a farrier book beside it and i pick up each time... maybe list it on the bill as throne education...$5.00

Exactly what I was thinking. :rolleyes:
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RE:What does it cost you? 15 Mar 2010 22:13 #88

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Dogwood Forge wrote:
I know someone has broken it down at somepoint as to exactly what it costs. Not just what does four shoes and 24 nails cost, but also fuel, tools, truck, tags, taxes, retirement, vacation time, insurance, etc. All these are things that we would want to know if we went and got a real job so I feel like we should have a handle on these things for shoeing.
Some food for though on breaking down the costs . . . If you had to replace your shoeing rig and every tool you use . . . prorated over 5 years.

Let's say a new truck, shoeing body, and tools is going to cost $50,000. That's $10,000/year. Add insurance (commercial vehicle + liability + equipment and supplies) $2,000/yr. So your 5-year big ticket depreciation stuff costs $1000/month - FOREVER - the rig wears out and must be replaced at some point. Five years is a good depreciation schedule for a vehicle if you talk to th IRS. So, divide that by the number of horses you put shoes on in a month. (Trims don't count because you don't need a $50k rig to trim horses. ;))

So if you put shoes on 3 horses/day, 5 days/week, that's 60 horses/month. Your shoeing rig and tools cost to put shoes (2 or 4 shoes doesn't matter) on a horse is $1000/60 = $16.67. If you put shoes on fewer horses the cost is higher, more horses the cost is lower. This is you rig/tool overhead cost before consumables like shoes and nails. This is money toward a rig payment or savings to buy a new rig every 5 years. Either way, it is a perpetual cost associated with putting shoes on a horse.

NOW,a you can throw into the "head count" the horses you trim and figure in the overhead-per-horse for - fuel, new tires every 2 years (or less), retirement, CPD, medical insurance, taxes, business licenses, and consumables like rasps, knives, and nippers.

You don't want the horses you trim to pay for the shoeing rig/tool overhead. But the rest of your overhead can be divided between all the horses you work on. Figure that out and add it to the rig/tool overhead cost to get your total cost to put shoes on a horse.
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:What does it cost you? 16 Mar 2010 00:16 #89

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Tom that was well thought out and well put. that is exactly the kind of things that I have been thinking about.



I'm not sure how we all got off on a tangent of whether or not to make or buy your bar shoes. Out of the roughly 250 head of horses that I service I can only think of one that is in bar shoes all the time and I make those because, .... well I want to. I could do it for free and it still wouldn't really effect the big picture all that much.
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RE:What does it cost you? 16 Mar 2010 02:47 #90

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Dogwood Forge wrote:
I'm not sure how we all got off on a tangent of whether or not to make or buy your bar shoes.


Dan and Justin causing trouble again:D
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