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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 05:18 #61

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cuttinshoer wrote:
One foot or two

Just one!:D Each take a side on Lisa's horse B.B
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 05:21 #62

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hotrodiesel wrote:
Just one! Each take a side on Lisa's horse B.B

Slacker:D

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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 05:21 #63

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hotrodiesel wrote:
From reading the "lets see your rig thread, you have only traveled 18000 miles since you had your truck makes me think you don't have many horses on your books.
It all depends on how much distance one has to travel to work. I would guess my average travel round trip is 100 miles or less. So considering there is 52 weeks in a year, that would be 260 working days on a five day work week. Then consider that I don't work on Wednesday, we are now at 208 days. Subtract for the ten major holidays, we are now at 198 days. Now subtract another 10 days for vacation time, we are now at 188 days. Mutiply 188 days by 100 miles thats 18800 miles a year. Not bad since I have only had the truck for a little over a year.

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Why are you putting so much emphasis on just the shoemaking.
Because the cost of a bar shoe is what we are talking about.

hotrodiesel wrote:
Doesn't being fast kinda go along with efficiency.
Yes and no. Where efficiency usually makes one faster. You don't have to be fast to be efficient.

hotrodiesel wrote:
I mean you've stated in the thread that it is more profitable to use a kegger.
I not only said it but I supplied the numbers to back it up.

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Now your saying you cant do it as fast as me. Now this I can agree with.:D
And it does not bother me at all because to me its not how fast I complete the job but the quality of work I do. I know there are those who can do quality work faster than me, and thats OK with me.

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Im no clinician. Really dont know what I would have to offer, but everyday shoeing. Stuff I deal with on a day to day basis.
I seen your stuff and read you input. Believe me you have just as much as many of the clinicians at clinics I have attended.

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You see Gary, I have gotten my experience through trial and error and hard work for the last 18 years.
We all gain our experience through trial and error. You have been doing this for 18 years. I've been at it for five. I will be the first to tell you that there is allot I don't know, and a lot that I can't do. It doesn't make me any less a farrier. Just a farrier at a different level in his career. Nothing like experience to humble a guy.

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Not looking at pics.
When you can't put the real thing in your hand a picture is the next best thing. Anyway its just not the picture but the dialog that goes along with the picture.

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Like I have said before, I am a very humble guy when it comes to this trade,
From what I have seen of your work you are to modest.

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and think I am an average farrier just trying to make a living.
Thats all I am as well.

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I agree this website is a big help, but nothing compares to actually working on10's of thousands of feet.
I won't/can't disagree with that.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 05:25 #64

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cuttinshoer wrote:
Slacker:D

:cool:


We still on for it. Now think long and hard before you answer.:D
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 05:32 #65

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Clint Burrell wrote:
Bet you they don't.

I consider my driving and office/phone time working. Clinic time is work time as well. Figure in all the time spent "working" while not shoeing and you'll find the hourly rate drops dramatically.
Your right Clint. When we actually figure our time its much lower. However, even if your figure is $15-20 and hour. You still can't make two bar shoes for the cost of a kegger shoe.

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Don't see why a guy cant make up shoes in his spare time, make some money, and feel good about it.
One can do what ever they want in their spare time. They can even feel like they are saving money and feel good about it. But when it comes to crunching the numbers and counting the beans, they just might find out they were wrong.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 05:34 #66

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It all depends on how much one has to work. I would guess my average travel round trip is 100 miles or less. So considering there is 52 weeks in a year, that would be 260 working days on a five day work week. Then consider that I don't work on Wednesday, we are now at 208 days. Subtract for the ten major holidays, we are now at 198 days. Now subtract another 10 days for vacation time, we are now at 188 days. Mutiply 188 days by 100 miles thats 18800 miles a year. Not bad since I have only had the truck for a little over a year.

Geez, how can you afford to take that many day's off? you must really be charging a bunch.
Because the cost of a bar shoe is what we are talking about.

Yes. Andit can be done for less cost than your way.
Yes and no. Where efficiency usually makes one faster. You don't have to be fast to be efficient.

Nope! but time is money, right?

And it does not bother me at all because to me its not how fast I complete the job but the quality of work I do. I know there are those who can do quality work faster than me, and thats OK with me.

Good!
I seen your stuff and read you input. Believe me you have just as much as many of the clinicians at clinics I have attended
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Thanks! But I learned along time ago noone really cares what I think.
We all gain our experience through trial and error. You have been doing this for 18 years. I've been at it for five. I will be the first to tell you that there is allot I don't know, and a lot that I can't do. It doesn't make me any less a farrier. Just a farrier at a different level in his career. Nothing like experience to humble a guy.

You are correct, noone is better than anyone. Some just have been at ti their whole lives.
When you can't put the real thing in your hand a picture is the next best thing. Anyway its just not the picture but the dialog that goes along with the picture.

I guess so!
From what Ihave seen of your work you are to modest.

Hard work has it's rewards.
That all I am as well.

But let's face it, you really don't need to shoe horses everyday to make a living do you?
There are many day's I eat rice-a-roni and twinkies.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 05:58 #67

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hotrodiesel wrote:
Geez, how can you afford to take that many day's off? you must really be charging a bunch.
Maybe you forgot. I do have a retirement check that comes regularly. Thanks to all you nice citizens who pay their taxes.

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Yes. Andit can be done for less cost than your way.
You will have to prove that to me with numbers.



hotrodiesel wrote:
Nope! but time is money, right?
While time is money. I charge by the job. And while I maybe slower than most, I believe I get paid well for my time. And I believe I produce high quality work.

hotrodiesel wrote:
Thanks! But I learned along time ago noone really cares what I think.
While there are some on here that I don't care what they think. You are not one of them. I find you have good incite, high quality skills, and lots of knowledge that one can learn from.

hotrodiesel wrote:
You are correct, noone is better than anyone. Some just have been at ti their whole lives.
While I'm not even at the eight hole yet. I can rest assure you that I left the tee a long time ago. Although I may still be trying to find my ball in the rough between the tee and the first hole.:D

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Hard work has it's rewards.
Your right.

hotrodiesel wrote:
But let's face it, you really don't need to shoe horses everyday to make a living do you?
Its no secret that I have a retirement check. But I can assure you that its not enough that I don't have to work to make a living. I just don't have to work as hard as some. And thats Ok with me, after 22yrs in the military I earned the right to spend time with my family and not work hard.

hotrodiesel wrote:
There are many day's I eat rice-a-roni and twinkies.
If you can afford Twinkies your doing better than I am.:eek::D
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 06:18 #68

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You will have to prove that to me with numbers
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Well I'm not the sharpest tool on the shed.

I bought 40 feet of 3/8x3/4 for under 25 bucks. Let's consider we are making barshoes from 14" of stock. That is less than two dollars. Propane might cost a couple bucks. Borax is next to nothing cost wise. I havent bought a barshoe in many years so I dont know what they cost.

I need to know what you would charge for a full set of shoes with barshoes up front. And then we can compare it to what I would charge, which I can tell you, I just put new egg bars on a horse that cost her 240 dollars. It took me 45 minutes to shoe her horse, in which I had the shoes made up ahead of time. I made them at my shop. It took me about 30 minutes to make them. I dont count my time in the shop as labor. It's not any dIffernet than you sitting on your PC reading. Just time spent in different ways.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 07:18 #69

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hotrodiesel wrote:
Well Justin has accepted the bet. It is just a friendly thing, and will be fun. We will do it at the clinic. The bet is which way is faster from trim,fit,nailing and finish. He will fit his shoe and weld the bar in. I will handmake mine. And there side clipped as well.

I will prove it can be done faster from start to finish, handmaking the barshoe.:D It will be hard to do, cause Justin is a good hand!

Now what should we bet?:cool:

dan if you got something i can put a pair of Z bars on id be down for it to throw the aspect of a cold shoer into the mix :D
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 07:21 #70

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dan i buy my borax at Kmart(40 mule) in a 5lb box for $3.94. i get my steel pretty cheap too. not much more than the price you posted up.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 10:12 #71

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hotrodiesel wrote:

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Well I'm not the sharpest tool on the shed.

I bought 40 feet of 3/8x3/4 for under 25 bucks.

Where do you guys find bar stock so cheap? I paid a lot more than that and I can't find 5/16 X 3/4 for any reasonable price...somewhere around $2/foot. The place down by you quoted like $1.30/foot but that's a long way to go to pick up steel.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 10:47 #72

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Again, doesn't it just depend on how you prefer to work? I have several forges and I can make a bar shoe though it takes me more than three heats. I have a couple of electric welders so I can make one that way. I also have access to some good supply houses. It's like magic. I make a phone call or click a mouse and the supplies show up on the door step the next day.

If I have to put a bar on a horse there are several ways I can go about it. But here's the really beautiful thing...I can do it any way that happens to suit my fancy at the moment and nobody else has any say in the matter. LOL

I like to make shoes and even if time in the shop doesn't seem cost effective it's an investment that will almost certainly pay off somewhere down the line. Still, store-boughts and electric welders are a real blessing in the heat of the summer when standing in front of a hot forge is unpleasant and I'm having trouble just keeping up with the shoeing.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 11:45 #73

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hotrodiesel wrote:

Where do you guys find bar stock so cheap? I paid a lot more than that and I can't find 5/16 X 3/4 for any reasonable price...somewhere around $2/foot. The place down by you quoted like $1.30/foot but that's a long way to go to pick up steel.

Mike, 3/4 X 5/16 is the most expensive size for some reason. The 3/8 X almost anything is about half the price, even though it weighs more per foot - go figure ??

Dan and Justin, You need to give extra points for the shoes ***-appeal!!

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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 11:57 #74

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Mike Ferrara wrote:

Mike, 3/4 X 5/16 is the most expensive size for some reason. The 3/8 X almost anything is about half the price, even though it weighs more per foot - go figure ??



Regards

The reason is simply because is isn't a size commonly used in structural applications. They've settled on 1/4 and 3/8 as the standards and nobody but farriers like 5/16 for much of anything. Quite a few of the steel suppliers I've talked to can't get 5/16 at any price. Less available = higher price.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 12:50 #75

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hotrodiesel wrote:
Just one!:D Each take a side on Lisa's horse B.B

How's the horse gonna stand up, gonna need two horses, I'm up for it, probably get beat but at least I'll get beat by somebody that's good. My shoe will be faster probably get beat in the horse section.
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