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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 01:48 #46

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Gary_Miller wrote:
The point I'm trying to make, and I think most understand, is you can't make them cheaper than you buy them if you include your labor costs.

I like Mr. pethicks signature line"people think education is expensive,try ignorance".

Gary,

What is labor costs. Why is it that making shoes is so labor intensive? What's the difference in sitting in front of the computer reading these forums all day, then going out in your free time and practicing shoes.
Making shoes is educational. Everytime I make one I learn something new. Not just about shoes but, feet as well. It also teaches me how to use my time efficiently.

I Guarantee you, practicing shoes will make you better in the fire and under the horse. Take one hour a day that you would take reading these forums and go out and practice in the fire.

Alot of the rubbish I hear from some is just an excuse not to go out and better themselves and improve their skills. They just buy the stuff they need instead. I myself have set out to become the complete farrier. Not there yet, probably never will be,(dont think anyone is) but I am sure working toward it.

Nobody is just born a great farrier, like anything, it takes hard work to get there. Not a credit card or money.:)
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 02:06 #47

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It trends that I make 1/3 what I ask....doesn't seem to change much regardless how much I ask either. Take home is 1/3 of gross almost to the penny.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 03:15 #48

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Well Justin has accepted the bet. It is just a friendly thing, and will be fun. We will do it at the clinic. The bet is which way is faster from trim,fit,nailing and finish. He will fit his shoe and weld the bar in. I will handmake mine. And there side clipped as well.

I will prove it can be done faster from start to finish, handmaking the barshoe.:D It will be hard to do, cause Justin is a good hand!

Now what should we bet?:cool:
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 03:30 #49

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hotrodiesel wrote:
What is labor costs. Why is it that making shoes is so labor intensive?
Dan, how long does it take you to make two bar shoes?

Don't forget to start from the beginning. Lets say at the step where you cut the metal to length. End when it punched and ready to nail. I'll give you the set up and take down time for free, after all you would have to do it anyway.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 03:38 #50

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Gary_Miller wrote:
Dan, how long does it take you to make two bar shoes?

Don't forget to start from the beginning. Lets say at the step where you cut the metal to length. End when it punched and ready to nail. I'll give you the set up and take down time for free, after all you would have to do it anyway.

Gary your missing the point!
What is the difference in sitting here reading this or being out in your shop making shoes right now? Of the two, which will make you more efficient under the horse?

I can make a plain stamp barshoe in 4 heats. We are talking the whole ball of wax, from trim to finish, and have it be a respectable job.

And I'm gonna prove it in April!!!! :cool:
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 03:56 #51

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hotrodiesel wrote:
Gary your missing the point!
Nope, I did not miss it at all.
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What is the difference in sitting here reading this or being out in your shop making shoes right now? Of the two, which will make you more efficient under the horse?
That would all depend on what it is your trying to accomplish.

If you want to be proficent at makeing shoes then the shop is a good place to be.

If you want to gain knowledge in farrier science then this site is a good place to be. I see and read things on this site that I have not yet encountered in my day to day business. I get to see hooves with bad pathologies and learn the best way to take care of it. I get to see x-ray of hooves and learn how to read them so I know what I'm looking at. I get to see lots of different shoes, learn when/why to use them, how to make them, and how to properly apply them. This web site has over a thousand of different pages, full of hundreds of different subject. And has help me to become much more efficient under when I'm under a horse. I would say even more so than being able to quickly make a shoe.

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I can make a plain stamp barshoe in 4 heats. We are talking the whole ball of wax, from trim to finish, and have it be a respectable job.
Good for you I'm glade for you, but how long does it take for you to make a pair of bar shoes?
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 04:03 #52

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So, instead of getting hands on education, your sitting here learning how to do it from looking at pictures.:eek::rolleyes:

I am not sure how long it takes me, I will do it and let you know.
I could always fly to Idaho, and we can see for ourselves if your way
is faster. How bout sometime in October. That will give you plenty of time to practice, but you would have to go out and work instead of sitting here looking at pics and learning how to do it.:p
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 04:28 #53

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hotrodiesel wrote:
So, instead of getting hands on education, your sitting here learning how to do it from looking at pictures.:eek::rolleyes:
Like I said it all depends on what you are trying to learn. I don't have a foundered horse that I can work on. I don't have a horse with WL that I can work on. However, there are lots of horses on here that people bring up with problems that I can read about and see what was done to correct the issues. That why when I do get a horse with problems I have some kind of clue on what can be done.

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I am not sure how long it takes me, I will do it and let you know.

hotrodiesel wrote:
I could always fly to Idaho, and we can see for ourselves if your way is faster.
I don't think you can do it much faster than lifting the shoe off the rack in the truck, throwing it in the fire, and shaping it to the foot. Doesn't get any faster than that can't.

As far as comming to Idaho I have nothing to prove and I'm sure you are much better/Faste at show making than I am. However, to me its not important how fast you can make a shoe but that you can do it if needed. While I'm not fast and I'm by no means good. I can make what I need if I have to. As of yet I have not found a need to have too.

Of course if you want to come to Idaho and put on a free clinic I'm sure that could be arranged. We may even be persuaded to pay travel costs depending on what you have to offer.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 04:47 #54

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Gary_Miller wrote:
Like I said it all depends on what you are trying to learn. I don't have a foundered horse that I can work on. I don't have a horse with WL that I can work on. However, there are lots of horses on here that people bring up with problems that I can read about and see what was done to correct the issues. That why when I do get a horse with problems I have some kind of clue on what can be done.

From reading the "lets see your rig thread, you have only traveled 18000 miles since you had your truck makes me think you don't have many horses on your books.

I don't think you can do it much faster than lifting the shoe off the rack in the truck, throwing it in the fire, and shaping it to the foot. Doesn't get any faster than that can't.

Why are you putting so much emphasis on just the shoemaking. We are talking the whole job. Its more than what you stated above. Do you think that you could trim,make a barshoe(with your welder), fit, nail and finish faster than I can do the same with a handmade? Unlike many on here, there are some of us who actually shoe horses everyday.
As far as comming to Idaho I have nothing to prove and I'm sure you are much better/Faste at show making than I am. However, to me its not important how fast you can make a shoe but that you can do it if needed. While I'm not fast and I'm by no means good. I can make what I need if I have to. As of yet I have not found a need to have too.

Doesn't being fast kinda go along with efficiency. I mean you've stated in the thread that it is more profitable to use a kegger. Now your saying you cant do it as fast as me. Now this I can agree with.:D
Of course if you want to come to Idaho and put on a free clinic I'm sure that could be arranged. We may even be persuaded to pay travel costs depending on what you have to offer
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Im no clinician. Really dont know what I would have to offer, but everyday shoeing. Stuff I deal with on a day to day basis. You see Gary, I have gotten my experience through trial and error and hard work for the last 18 years. Not looking at pics. Like I have said before, I am a very humble guy when it comes to this trade, and think I am an average farrier just trying to make a living.

I agree this website is a big help, but nothing compares to actually working on10's of thousands of feet.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 04:49 #55

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hotrodiesel wrote:

I can make a plain stamp barshoe in 4 heats. We are talking the whole ball of wax, from trim to finish, and have it be a respectable job.

And I'm gonna prove it in April!!!! :cool:

BS, your shoe has to be exactely like mine, being a keg it will be fullered, 8 nail holes and clips.
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 04:53 #56

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BS, your shoe has to be exactely like mine, being a keg it will be fullered, 8 nail holes and clips.

Nope! A handmade shoe. Punched anyway I want. There were never any stipulations on how many holes it had or whethet it punched or fullered, As long as it's a respectable job.That's the beauty of a handmade.:cool:
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 04:54 #57

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Gary_Miller wrote:
Ben, I would guess the average Farrier makes around $100 an hour when they are working,

Bet you they don't.

I consider my driving and office/phone time working. Clinic time is work time as well. Figure in all the time spent "working" while not shoeing and you'll find the hourly rate drops dramatically.

Don't see why a guy cant make up shoes in his spare time, make some money, and feel good about it. There's some talented, highly educated individuals working jobs that pay $15-$20 hr. If you think your time for making shoes is worth a $100 an hour, then you may want to consider a better paying job.

Disclaimer: I make my bar shoes like Cuttinshoer.:p:D
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 05:01 #58

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Justin,

If you want to start setting rules than let's set them right. We have 30 minutes to get the job done, I will fuller the shoe, and it will be judged by the people at the clinic. Sound good?:cool:
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 05:16 #59

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hotrodiesel wrote:
Justin,

If you want to start setting rules than let's set them right. We have 30 minutes to get the job done, I will fuller the shoe, and it will be judged by the people at the clinic. Sound good?:cool:

One foot or two
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RE:What does it cost you? 14 Mar 2010 05:18 #60

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Clint Burrell wrote:
Disclaimer: I make my bar shoes like Cuttinshoer.:p:D

I actually made handmades for the horse but burned one up in the coal and was running out of daylight, so I made the ones posted.
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