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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 15:21 #16

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Text book Mike

Look at the nailing
Look at the pastern angle
Look at the length of the toe
Look at the finish work
Shoe fit and placement

My first impression was WOW !!

my 2 cents worth ;)
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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 17:09 #17

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Thanks again Bruce but lets not get carried away.
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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 20:31 #18

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Joey Aczon wrote:
Not to be argumentative, but how do you figure double nailing is "safer and easier"?
You're not being argumentative Joey. With a DNP, I use smaller nails to attach the DNP to the hoof which always seems to me to be a 'good thing'. Like Mike, I create a crease in the DNP for the nails which makes it easy to grab them with a crease nail puller. Then I can set the rest of the package to the DNP and not worry as much about big time hoof loss when/if the horse casts a shoe.
With the padded horses I use between a size 8-10 nail for the most part. (3/8" shoe with a wedge and a leather or two) But there are some that I'll drive 16's in the heels before double nailing.
I routinely use 6-10's on horses in the type of package you describe, but When I'm using a #4 or greater wedge(s), I don't like to drive bigger nails than that at the back of the foot. I also use toe clips on just about all(but not every) package and when I think its called for, bands. Sometimes, I just don't want to drive nails in very far back on the hoof, so I may only use the first two(or three[when punched for 4/branch]) and then I usually use bands.

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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 20:34 #19

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
That horse has pretty decent feet and I leave them at about 4 1/4 when I reset so there's plenty of foot there to nail to.
You have me at a disadvantage. Since I mostly shoe Arabians, Part-Arabians and NSH's, I have some overall toe length restrictions that cause me to keep a shorter natural toe on the horse. Which means that my 'wiggle room' is rather narrow when driving nails.

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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 20:54 #20

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vthorseshoe wrote:

Look at the nailing

My first impression was WOW !!
Having never driven a nail that distance, that's a jaw-dropper for me.

Nice job.

Rick Burten wrote:
You have me at a disadvantabe. Since I mostly shoe Arabians, Part-Arabians and NSH's....

Rick

I normally can nut them out, but you got me with the "NSH".

Wassat? :confused:
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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 21:00 #21

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National Show Horse if im not mistaking. A cross between an American Saddlebred and an Arabian
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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 21:10 #22

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Thanks Rick.

This one's an Arab.

http://horseshoes.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=76&pictureid=3364

Rick, quick question... This one's going to Scotsdale next month IIRC, do I need to shorten up that heel?
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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 21:10 #23

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Canadian wrote:
National Show Horse if im not mistaking. A cross between an American Saddlebred and an Arabian
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^ correct.

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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 21:15 #24

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Joey Aczon wrote:
Thanks Rick.

This one's an Arab.

http://horseshoes.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=76&pictureid=3364

Rick, quick question... This one's going to Scotsdale next month IIRC, do I need to shorten up that heel?
It Depends.;)

My preference is to get more heel off so that I have a longer base of support, and to then use wedges to make up the difference.

However, if this is working for the horse, at this juncture, I wouldn't be messing with it. The Scottsdale shoe is in a few weeks so now is not the time to be 'experimenting'

One thing that I find with these 'up- down' horses is that I reset the 'up' side on a three week rotation. Which, in this case, means you'll probably want to work on that foot right before the horse ships.

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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 21:30 #25

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Rick Burten wrote:
It Depends.;)

My preference is to get more heel off so that I have a longer base of support, and to then use wedges to make up the difference.

However, if this is working for the horse, at this juncture, I wouldn't be messing with it. The Scottsdale shoe is in a few weeks so now is not the time to be 'experimenting'

One thing that I find with these 'up- down' horses is that I reset the 'up' side on a three week rotation. Which, in this case, means you'll probably want to work on that foot right before the horse ships.

Rick

I was reffering to the length of the shoe, and is it too far back. I'm working on re-training the owner and keeping a shorter hoof with more pads, but as I'm sure you know, that can be a tough row to hoe.

This horse is on the "up-n-up". ;) This isn't the same horse I posted pics of a couple weeks ago. This is actually only his 3rd shoeing. He came to us barefoot about 4 months ago, spent a month in plates, then a cycle with a pad, and we just added the wedge and went to a bigger shoe this last shoeing.
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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 22:35 #26

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Joey Aczon wrote:
I was referring to the length of the shoe, and is it too far back.
Ok, my misunderstanding. Regardless, that much shoe on a horse that is only on his third shoeing, gives me a pucker factor of 5+. If you find that the horse is reaching up and grabbing the back of the shoe, then you could, IMO, safely shorten those heels by 1/2 or more.

Its been my experience that with tall heels like that horse has, and a lot of heel support in the shoe, some of these horses get heel sore in rather short order.
I'm working on re-training the owner and keeping a shorter hoof with more pads, but as I'm sure you know, that can be a tough row to hoe.
Absolutely.
This horse is on the "up-n-up". ;) This isn't the same horse I posted pics of a couple weeks ago. This is actually only his 3rd shoeing. He came to us barefoot about 4 months ago, spent a month in plates, then a cycle with a pad, and we just added the wedge and went to a bigger shoe this last shoeing.
Is he shod behind? I also find that especially with this much shoe, if the rider is not really competent, you will spend a lot of time replacing shoes and often, missing hoof wall.

Let me know how it goes.

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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 18 Jan 2010 22:48 #27

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Ok, thanks. I wasn't sure if we'd get in trouble for having so much out the back. He is shod behind, 5/16" x 3/4" with small caulks I think.

This trainer is pretty good on a horse. The horse is supposed to be a full brother to a 4x WC Arab stallion, and pretty talented himself. (I don't know the lines though.) I haven't seen him work, but watching him even in hand, he's got some "pop" to him.
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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 24 Jan 2010 01:49 #28

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One advantage to this particular poll is anyone looking to find a niche in the industry can easily see where the least amount of farriers are working.
You are joining a limited area of farriers.

My 2 cents worth ;)
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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 24 Jan 2010 14:51 #29

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vthorseshoe wrote:
You are joining a limited area of farriers.

You got that right! In an area where people are normally paying $50-$75 I'm averaging about $125/reset, and $200 or more for new packages. I'm getting ready to start raising prices and getting out of backyards. I expect my pricing for gaited horses to go up by at least $20 by the end of the year.
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RE:What form of Horseshoeing do you do ? 24 Jan 2010 16:45 #30

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Joey Aczon wrote:
You got that right! In an area where people are normally paying $50-$75 I'm averaging about $125/reset, and $200 or more for new packages. I'm getting ready to start raising prices and getting out of backyards. I expect my pricing for gaited horses to go up by at least $20 by the end of the year.

I've said it a hundred times on this site but my experience has been that having a specialty that most others don't have is what helps you get the "big bucks".

Lots of guys do nice work but if you can do some type of work that they can't or won't do, it'll get you in places that don't want them...the demand for you is up and so is the price.

You have to bring something that is worth that extra money to the client. In my experience nice hand made shoes, perfect fit, great finish, or whatever, just isn't it. If the client can even recognize it, it isn't necessarily worth much money to them. It just doesn't distinguish you from the "other guys" to the client.

As Bruce would say...my two cents.
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