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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 14:47 #16

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Howdy all,

Good note about the Diamond rasps. I'm gonna try for GE tools and some in that range whenever I can. . . I figure I want the tools that are good enough that I'm not fighting the tool, but not so excellent that I'm putting a lot of money into a tool that I might want a slightly different version of. But, I definitely don't want crud that'll just frustrate me. Focus on the skills, not the tools!

Handmade - thanks for the thoughts on the home study. That's about what I thought. Honestly, the Cornell Vet library has all of Butler's video series on shoeing, so I may as well watch those for the visual element. :) I'm collecting quite a reading list I must say. Good thing I read fast! Thanks for the driving hammer weight notes. . . that's good to ponder. Yes, I'm used to framing and finish carpentry, but do some metalwork already too. Will be new to nailing through keratin tho!

Bradley - That is a chicken coop. We have a homestead farm, keep chickens, bees, turkeys, goats, etc. I realized there are precious few photos of me, generally we're all too busy workin! :)

David - Hmm, good to know about the diamond rasps. Do you find you all go through rasps pretty fast? I was watching Butler use his rasps on everything, hot steel, cold, hooves, clinches. . . the coarse side of his rasps look pretty beat even in an old VHS tape!

TB- SBA. . . man, what a great idea. Feeling lame that I hadn't thought of that yet! *shakes head* head full of tools I guess. :)
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 15:05 #17

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I was watching Butler use his rasps on everything, hot steel, cold, hooves, clinches. . . the coarse side of his rasps look pretty beat even in an old VHS tape!.
You start using a rasp on the foot
Then when it is too dull for the foot you use it for clinching
then move it to the hot rasp use. :D

I have 50+ rasps ready for that stage
as I use a angle grinder and a flap wheel instead of hot rasping. :o

It is quicker, easier . . .

. . . it's about "Time/Money/and living in the 21st century" while at work.

. . .still gotta know the ways of the Old Masters though . . .
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 15:09 #18

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Ahhhh. Gotcha. Then once it's too dead for hot rasping, you hand it over to your wannabe bladesmithing friends. ;)
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 15:16 #19

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They make a fine wood rasp even when we think they're worn out. My woodworking friends love my hand me downs.
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The best things about the good old days -- I wasn't good and I wasn't old.

The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 16:47 #20

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Ahhhh. Gotcha. Then once it's too dead for hot rasping, you hand it over to your wannabe bladesmithing friends. ;)
NOOOO . . . :eek:

You make snakes out of them :D

and sell them at the market :cool:
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 19:06 #21

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So in addition to all my other tasks, I've tried to lay out my tool buying for the next few months so that I have everything I need for class, can get practicing my forge work, and try to keep the outlay in the $200-$300 range per month.

Here's my plan thus far. . . thoughts? I have a 60# flat horn anvil right now, which I plan to replace, but later in the series. Forge is a small coal/coke I built myself.

November:
Rounding hammer - NC, Calvary, Blackstock or Bloom Forge, 1.5lb
Fire Tongs - 1/4, 5/16, 3/8 and 1/2" NC probably
Cross Peen - Belotta or Bloom forge 1.5/1.75 lb

December:
Bob punch - Roy Bloom wood handle
Forepunch - Roy Bloom, wood/steel, anyone have thoughts on head shape?
Pritchel - one or two by nordic probably.
Creaser - Roy Bloom. . . wood or steel. . .?

January:
Anvil. . . maybe the NC Calvary? Looks to be the most round horned of their models

February:
Nippers - Nordic race 14"
Driving Hammer - NC 10oz
Clinch block - diamond block
Clinch Cutter - Roy Bloom
Clinchers - Maybe a Nordic or Diamond for starters?

March:
Crease nail pullers - Diamond
PullOffs - Diamond
Rasps & handles - Belotta or Legend. . . would a 6pack be a wise initial?
Hoof knife - NC probably. Do I get the handed that I am dominant? What about wide/narrow blade? One of each?
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 21:45 #22

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rounding hammers i sold on Justin hammers,clinch block,mine is made from a old rasp,knives i use one of each,a left and right. toskay forge and a hastings. rasps i like mecury ad equthoics handles and teraflex butt covers. driving hammer,well you will go thru a bunch before you find one you bond with well,ine is older than dirt and hand made. nippers i prefer DS but i do have a few GE's,12in reins. clenchers,DS . my odds and ends are diamond and mustand and such. my fire tongs are diamond and mustad. i had JAF tongs but they grew legs.
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 21:46 #23

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before you go and buy a bunch of punches (IE fore punch, creaser, bob punch etc) you may want to speak with your instructor at cornell. he may have plans to teach a little tool making as part of your curicculum.

when i went to school, Scott Simpson (the instuctor at WWCC @ that time) forged a few of these tools for all of us students and they worked just fine for a bunch of greenies trying to break everything they touched. in fact the creaser i use is the same one he made me in 95' it would probably be thrown away by competion type guys but it does what it was made for.
it might save you a few bucks anyway.
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 21:56 #24

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Get yourself an apron plus pulling and clinching tools first as these can get you experience riding and perhaps helping a local farrier. In the Ithaca area get in touch with local farriers like Steve Krause or Steve Huber, two nice guys who will be glad to talk with you.
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 23:20 #25

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So in addition to all my other tasks, I've tried to lay out my tool buying for the next few months so that I have everything I need for class, can get practicing my forge work, and try to keep the outlay in the $200-$300 range per month.

Here's my plan thus far. . . thoughts? I have a 60# flat horn anvil right now, which I plan to replace, but later in the series. Forge is a small coal/coke I built myself.

November:
Rounding hammer - NC, Calvary, Blackstock or Bloom Forge, 1.5lb
Fire Tongs - 1/4, 5/16, 3/8 and 1/2" NC probably
Cross Peen - Belotta or Bloom forge 1.5/1.75 lb

December:
Bob punch - Roy Bloom wood handle
Forepunch - Roy Bloom, wood/steel, anyone have thoughts on head shape?
Pritchel - one or two by nordic probably.
Creaser - Roy Bloom. . . wood or steel. . .?

January:
Anvil. . . maybe the NC Calvary? Looks to be the most round horned of their models

February:
Nippers - Nordic race 14"
Driving Hammer - NC 10oz
Clinch block - diamond block
Clinch Cutter - Roy Bloom
Clinchers - Maybe a Nordic or Diamond for starters?

March:
Crease nail pullers - Diamond
PullOffs - Diamond
Rasps & handles - Belotta or Legend. . . would a 6pack be a wise initial?
Hoof knife - NC probably. Do I get the handed that I am dominant? What about wide/narrow blade? One of each?


From what you have listed above:

Rounding Hammer... out of your choices I would go with Bloom
Fire Tongs... I would skip on the 1/2, at your stage of the game you
probably won't use it that much
Cross Pein... Bloom 1.75# or 2#
Bob Punch... I would skip this and use the cross pein
Forepunch... I don't think you need one right now
Pritchel... I wouldn't get a Nordic, go ahead and get a better one.
Creaser... I don't think you need one right now
Anvil... You could do better by getting a Anvil Brand Legend
125# Round Horn
Nippers... Be sure to get the Nordic Viking not the original ones
Driving Hammer... That would be a decent choice
Clinch block... Diamond would be OK there
Clinch cutter... I have a GE but Diamond would be OK there too.
Clinchers... Diamond would be OK or hammer clinch :)
Crease Nail Pullers...Diamond is a decent start
Pulloffs... It seems like Nature Farms has a really good pair at a fair
price.
Rasp... Either
Hoof knife... I prefer Tosaky Forge but that it something you will have
to experiement with. If you buy a cheap knife you will
most likely regret it.

Hope this helps with the suggested tools you have listed here.
Cody Gilreath, CF
www.certifiedtexasfarrier.com
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 10 Nov 2009 23:24 #26

Oh, and aprons, it is IMO but the ones on Ebay that rjshoeing sells are long lasting and go for about $50.00, which is about as cheap as you will find and still be a quality apron. I have two pair and both are still in excellent shape.
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 11 Nov 2009 00:39 #27

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buy a good apron. i like a all leather apron my self, i prefer buddy apons made by russell hite in VA. i hear peterbylt are class as well.
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 11 Nov 2009 01:50 #28

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Yup, I knew I needed at least the things on my list that were on the Cornell course list. I forgot to list apron, because I was counting it with my safety equip that is getting put together FIRST. Need a new pair of steel toes, mine are dying.

Thanks for everyone's help! I feel like at this point I'll be . . . . man, I'm trying for a saying other than "beating a dead horse" here. . . nothin's comin. ;) Anyway. . . I've probably made enough of a nuisance of myself on this topic.

ANYway. Off to the conference, talking with Steve Kraus, and Richard, and meeting Mike Wildenstein, etc. *nods* One step, one step. just keep on goin.
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 11 Nov 2009 02:44 #29

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tom stovall once told me the only st.u,pid question is a question not asked. :cool:
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RE:Prospective Farrier - Plans and Thoughts 11 Nov 2009 02:46 #30

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heh. oh I guarantee I'll come up with some more!
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