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TOPIC: Journey to AFA CJF

RE:Journey to AFA CJF 01 Nov 2009 01:26 #31

smitty88 wrote:
I think passing is the easy bit
its going out there every day shoeing every horse to a high standard
that the hard bit

your every day work is the cards on the table
im sure some of you know some people with all the letters

that dont put it to there every day work
i know that i know some people

Big difference between your peers judging your work or horse owners, Vets and trainers judging your work.
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 01 Nov 2009 01:42 #32

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Or the horse itself? Some champion horses are pretty soddy shod. (Say that three times:D) Other horses have great feet with super shoeing jobs that can't win a class or comp for anything? Do they win because or inspite of what we do? I whole heartity agree with Smitty, do your best every foot everyday.:cool:
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 01 Nov 2009 10:10 #33

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Phil,
what difference are you doing now in your work that you were not doing a week before you passed your CF
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 01 Nov 2009 13:04 #34

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Chip is 100% percent right. Since I have been working towards the CJF I have a new found confidence that I haven't felt in a long time. I use to make fun of guys sanding on a finish especially if it muddy out or someone making a bar shoe from scratch. I would convince myself that it was poor business and why would anybody wanted to work that hard. In reality I was jelous of their skill and craftmanship. Since I have shoeing horses "Journeyman style" things are starting to gel. I have several horses in handmades, they really help the older horses by the way, and I have not bought a pre-clipped shoe in years. There are people who say the AFA standards is not a good way to shoe horses but if you keep that critaria in you mind while you are shoeing you will end up with better feet and happier horses. I was one of those guys, for years, looked down on the shoeing standards of the certification only because I didn't have the skill or the confidence to achieve it. Through this process I see the big light at the end of the tunnel. I am almost there and I have a gameplan. I will pass this test but I will not stop there. If I am shoeing horses like this now why stop? Clients are happy and so are the horses.
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 01 Nov 2009 13:08 #35

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Big difference between your peers judging your work or horse owners, Vets and trainers judging your work.

Not for me.

Whatever the task, I've always taken an inordinate amount of pride in my work and when it comes to having my work judged, I've always been my own worst critic. As I see it, good enough is never good enough, it's just an excuse for mediocrity. If every shoeing ain't worth your best shot, you're just going through the motions.
Tom Stovall, CJF
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 01 Nov 2009 14:25 #36

smitty88 wrote:
Phil,
what difference are you doing now in your work that you were not doing a week before you passed your CF

The difference is how much it helped me do a better job and get it done more efficiently. Specifically heel fit and fitting clips. With less frustration. :)
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 01 Nov 2009 14:40 #37

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
Phil Armitage in gray

Big difference between your peers judging your work or horse owners, Vets and trainers judging your work.

Not for me.

Whatever the task, I've always taken an inordinate amount of pride in my work and when it comes to having my work judged, I've always been my own worst critic. As I see it, good enough is never good enough, it's just an excuse for mediocrity. If every shoeing ain't worth your best shot, you're just going through the motions.

A lot of us do, I have always been my own worst critique, sometimes to a major fault. From what I have seen so far from the AFA Cert Farriers I have met, it is never good enough and I love it. :)

Thank goodness for patient horse owners that do not mind a slow picky farrier. As I mentioned to John the Cert. process helped me do good work more efficiently. Forgot to mention easier on the body, especially my elbows and wrists. It is all good. For me this is not an issue of who is better than who, I got something out of this and hope others will as well. This thread is about helping farriers achieve a goal. Everyone comes into this with strengths and weakness. One could be a heck of a blacksmith but struggles under a horse. A lot to this trade to be the total package. :)
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 02 Nov 2009 22:49 #38

Jeff Crane wrote:
Through this process I see the big light at the end of the tunnel.
Jeff,

I hope that it is the end of the tunel and not the train?:eek:
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 03 Nov 2009 01:51 #39

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Anyway, let's get back to the subject. There was quite a bit of side tracking. This weekend I went to a certification to just hang out and see some friends in Lexington, KY. While there, I think there were three people taking their CJF practical and I was able to talk to two of them after their failed attempts at the shoeing practical. When the question was asked, "How many horses have you been shoeing with handmades in your daily work?" One of the candidates answer that they had done about 4-5 per week for the past few weeks. The other one said that he had only done a few. When I asked if they hot shaped and shod every horse in their practice, both replied no that they do a lot of cold shoeing. When I asked do you draw clips on all your shoes, one said he does if the horse needs them, but he does a lot of horses flat. The other said he doesn't have a lot of horses that wear clips. All this being said, I can divert back to what Craig was trying to get across. This is something that we shouldn't work or practice up for, this is something that should be a part of our everyday practice. I have never understood why someone would bust their tail to pass the test and then load their truck down w/ preclipped shoes and go back to their "old ways" of knocking around. Why would anyone want the title Journeyman if it is not representative of the quality of work and craftsmanship that should be expected of a Journeyman? Some of the best advise for passing this test is exactly what Craig said, "live it". If you do, you will have no problem with the test. The other thing that stood out to me on the guys taking their test, was their tools. Tool maintenance is one of the most important factors in the quality of the shoes one would be able to produce. As I looked, I would see mushroomed punches and pritchels with no relief on the tip, hammer handles that had not been slimmed down to fit the user's hand, hammers with sharp edges on the faces. All these things can have a huge impact on your shoe quality. Hope this is helpful.
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 03 Nov 2009 04:04 #40

Tool maintenance is one of those hurdles that I struggled to get past. I couldn't even see that my tools were wrong, unless I had blown the end off something. And my idea of fixing was WAY off. I'd go to clinics, someone would try to help me, pick up one of my tools and immediately put it aside and get their own. It never occurred to me that my tools were that out of whack, I just thought they were being picky!!!

Man, did some things fall together once I was taught how to tune my tools and in some cases, select new ones that better suited me. Now I just need to get better at applying them!!!
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 03 Nov 2009 04:55 #41

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Phillip, really good post. But I don't know a journeyman in my sandpile that builds every shoe or for that fact even uses their forges except to compete. We just don't use alot of clips in this part of the country. Our western performance horses are in deep dirt usually and have relatively good feet. Only ones I clip are ones with pieces of hoof missing or the occasion head horse that touques the front left as it turns left with a steer. Our "best" local CJF uses Malaysian shoes only? I do agree that if you are going to run around with the letters on your truck or cards one needs to hold themselves to a "standard"?
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 03 Nov 2009 05:19 #42

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Gary Hill wrote:
Phillip, really good post. But I don't know a journeyman in my sandpile that builds every shoe or for that fact even uses their forges except to compete. We just don't use alot of clips in this part of the country. Our western performance horses are in deep dirt usually and have relatively good feet. Only ones I clip are ones with pieces of hoof missing or the occasion head horse that touques the front left as it turns left with a steer. Our "best" local CJF uses Malaysian shoes only? I do agree that if you are going to run around with the letters on your truck or cards one needs to hold themselves to a "standard"?

I think you get the gist of the message. The questions I asked were more to bring up a point. If you are applying these skills into your everyday practice, the testing isn't nearly as big of a deal. I myself do not build every shoe, but I do build a lot of them and nail them up. I usually clip everything myself, but that has a lot to do with the wet environment we have and also the fact that most of my horses are jumping stuff daily. I'm not sure what the Malaysian shoe is that you refer to, but anyone that can take one particular shoe and it works best for every horse.....well....he's a lot more talented than me. I don't know that I have two horses that are shod exactly alike.
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 03 Nov 2009 07:32 #43

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I think its a pity that there is people out there shoeing every
day that dont know how to have there tools right

take dressing your pritchels and stamps up
this is stuff you learn in the first week of college

as i said before its all down to training

Its true what Craig has said do it every day
then when you need to pass a practical or compete in a competition
you dont have to reach out far for a solid job

because your doing it every day
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 03 Nov 2009 11:54 #44

I can tell that this thread has a lot of potential of being motivational and educational. However if it goes in a direction of being condescending might as well close it or just delete it.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 03 Nov 2009 13:40 #45

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Smitty over here of course we unfortunately do not have the apprentice programs that y'all have over there. Some of the schools here just crank out the cold shoers and never teach the other tools? If they don't work hot they have no idea about creaseing or punching shoes. Its two weeks and out the door, you're in business. Other superior schools do teach the complete package as far as their terms permit, but they produce good Farriers compared to the other.
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