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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 30 Oct 2009 17:07 #16

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Rick Burten wrote:
I on the other hand, love this profession. ;)

Rick

So it's not a trade then?...nevemind.
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 30 Oct 2009 17:29 #17

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Rick: i love this profession.

Mike: it's not a trade then?....


:p Don't make a shetlin bit of difference so long as you enjoy,respect and are proud of it!! ;):D
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but you don't seem to bright.
You just brought a swichblade
to a pistol fight"
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 30 Oct 2009 20:00 #18

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Thanks Craig
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 30 Oct 2009 20:15 #19

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John Emsley wrote:
I don't know about down there but "profession" refers to Doctors,Lawyers and Professors, up here, if one is to be precise. Not being as learned, I could be mistaken. :rolleyes:
John
So are the following trades or professions:
Accountant
Engineer
Architect
Speech Therapist
Teacher
Stock Analyst
PRCA member/participant
Banker
Journalist
Lobbyist.........etc

Rick
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In the immortal words of Ron White: "But let me tell you something, folks: You can't fix S-tupid. There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. S-tupid is forever."
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 30 Oct 2009 22:18 #20

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Craig's post kinda jogged me a little and made me realize something that I do not think I had put into words before. In order to achieve your CJF, or achieve any goal you set, you have to practice until it isn't practice anymore. You do "it" until, "it" is just the way you do things. I remember that before I took my CJF I quit buying clipped shoes and barshoes. I practiced pulling my own clips on the job and making my own barshoes at the horse so much that to this day it seems odd to me not to do things this way. I shod so many horses in my own handmades preparing for my journeyman run that I got comfortable with it. I got so comfortable that I still have quite a few horses in handmades because I just feel like they do a little better that way or in some cases I make what I need because I'm to cheap to carry that much inventory. Either way it's no big deal it's just making shoes. The point is you have to push yourself until "it" is just second nature. We have all had to push ourselves at some point to learn this trade (profession, or what the heck ever). No one comes here knowing how to shoe a horse. At some point we have all struggled with pulling shoes, clinching, shaping shoes, trimming, or nailing up. You push your self and "practice" until it isn't a big deal anymore. The problem is we all get to a point where we are comfortable. We don't have to push ourselves because the point we have gotten to may not be great but it is good enough. It gets the job done and we have found enough people that were willing to pay us for the job we do, just the way it is. At some point, really at many points, you have to ask yourself, "am I going to settle for good enough or am I going to push myself to be the best?" Choose to push yourself and you will find that excellence will become a habit.
Chip Crumbly CJF, AWCF
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 30 Oct 2009 22:38 #21

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Rick Burton wrote:
So are the following trades or professions:
Accountant
Engineer
Architect
Speech Therapist
Teacher
Stock Analyst
PRCA member/participant
Banker
Journalist
Lobbyist.........etc


Obviously I haven't any input as to what they refer to themselves as, but while I have been referred to as a professional, I choose to refer to myself as a tradesman and let others make such a statement, feeling no less capable regardless. You being somewhat learned in the scriptures, might want to refresh your memory of Luke 14:8-11 Avoiding calling myself Mr. Emsley is another quirk of mine......he's my Dad. ;)
John
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 31 Oct 2009 14:19 #22

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John Emsley wrote:
You being somewhat learned in the scriptures,
Moi? Hardly. And then, only the Old Testament(Tanak).
might want to refresh your memory of Luke 14:8-11
As noted, I have no knowledge regarding the New Testament, so you'll have to help me out here. :)
Avoiding calling myself Mr. Emsley is another quirk of mine......he's my Dad. ;)
John
I affect much the same position.

Rick
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 31 Oct 2009 14:38 #23

How about Professional Tradesman, the best of both worlds. Craig great post, and agree you have to live and breathe the Journeyman. As a plater of racehorses to do this exam was Mount Everest to me and it took me two years from my first forge work and third attempt to pass, learning every time. I still found the bar shoe the hardest though, 35 minutes can never go that quickly.
Derek Poupard CJF, Dip WCF
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 31 Oct 2009 15:23 #24

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/profession

4 a : a calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation b : a principal calling, vocation, or employment c : the whole body of persons engaged in a calling
Bradley SaintJohn

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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 31 Oct 2009 15:31 #25

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Rick Burton wrote:
Moi? Hardly. And then, only the Old Testament(Tanak).
As noted, I have no knowledge regarding the New Testament, so you'll have to help me out here.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were Jewish.
I'll send you a PM to help you out as baron gets itchy if Christian references are used. ;):p
Dpoupard wrote:
How about Professional Tradesman, the best of both worlds.
A very reasonable suggestion. Frankly I'm just having a little fun with Rick because as has been stated Don't make a shetlin bit of difference so long as you enjoy,respect and are proud of it!! :D It's a mute point that I choose to approach on the low key side of things.
John
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 31 Oct 2009 17:54 #26

Trade profession, who cares? Craig's post hit the nail on the head. Passing the Journeyman test is no different than the learning curve we face starting out. You have to do it and do not be afraid to fail. Back when I openly shared my experience going for my CF, failing was a big part of my success. I really enjoyed the process, the adrenaline rush, making new friends and learning new things. It was worth every penny and the time. Now I am looking forward to doing it all over again for my CJF. After that who knows, maybe join the WCB and compete with the big guns. Like Craig said, got to love this trade. I consider it a trade. :)
Phil Armitage, CF
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 31 Oct 2009 19:25 #27

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I think passing is the easy bit
its going out there every day shoeing every horse to a high standard
that the hard bit

your every day work is the cards on the table
im sure some of you know some people with all the letters

that dont put it to there every day work
i know that i know some people
Smitty88
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 31 Oct 2009 20:06 #28

smitty88 wrote:
I think passing is the easy bit
its going out there every day shoeing every horse to a high standard
that the hard bit

your every day work is the cards on the table
im sure some of you know some people with all the letters

that dont put it to there every day work
i know that i know some people


I know few of people that are very talented, but still do poor work. I think that is pretty sad. If you can´t do good work that´s something, but if you just don´t feel like it, it´s something else...
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 31 Oct 2009 20:58 #29

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smitty88 in gray

I think passing is the easy bit
its going out there every day shoeing every horse to a high standard
that the hard bit

your every day work is the cards on the table
im sure some of you know some people with all the letters

that dont put it to there every day work
i know that i know some people


I'm sure there are a few bad apples in every barrel, but most of the CJFs I know - as well as a whole bunch of folks who don't give a damn about having letters after their names - would just as soon stick a needle in their eye as turn out work that's not the best they can do.
Tom Stovall, CJF
"The only foolish question is the one left unasked."
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RE:Journey to AFA CJF 31 Oct 2009 22:00 #30

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Tom Stovali wrote:
I'm sure there are a few bad apples in every barrel, but most of the CJFs I know - as well as a whole bunch of folks who don't give a damn about having letters after their names - would just as soon stick a needle in their eye as turn out work that's not the best they can do.
Tom,
OUCH, I couldn't agree with you more.:eek: Chip made one of the most complete statements re learning that I've ever heard.Chip Crumbly wrote:
The problem is we all get to a point where we are comfortable. We don't have to push ourselves because the point we have gotten to may not be great but it is good enough. It gets the job done and we have found enough people that were willing to pay us for the job we do, just the way it is.
Been through it many times and then a motivational surge will occur and I progress a little more. Welcome to the world of learning.;)
John
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