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TOPIC: Certification AFA CF

RE:Certification AFA CF 18 Oct 2010 22:33 #136

Eric,

In this case,

The widest part of this front foot was basically shaped in the same position as a hind foot, i.e had a quarter in it. If I'd dressed it back and shaped to look like a front foot (and I tried to) there would have been zero whiteline, and no wall. Then I get a 3 for taking too much wall off, then a fail.

I appreciate that ideal is the general objective. But this foot was never going to become an ideal shape, unless you literally took the wall at the quarters off. For the test this is considered a 3, and 1 score of 3 = a fail.

I tried bringing the quarter forward and did so to lessen the angle into the commissure, but the foot wouldn't allow the 2 angles (i.e. toe to WP and heel to WP to become one smooth line, as the wall was thin already. It would have meant rasping into the whiteline.

If the foot was shod properly in the first place it would grow into an ideal form over time. Herein lies the problem.

This horse was improperly shod from its outset, then left barefoot, got laid off and then put into foal, and now the extra weight is further deforming the capsule. I had to leave the gal with some wall integrity and then ofcourse perimeter fit for the AFA. I rasped as much as I could to lessen the 2 angles.

On the shoe itself I bevelled at these "quarters", the widest point on the ground bearing surface, in so putting "ideal" shape on underneath the shoe. Did this after the foot shod with a rasp. theres no points here, but at this point I was over time and thinking I want to help out.

I tried to both appreciate the test protocol as a test, and also tried not to rape the hoofwall in order to satisfy its protocol.

In doing this awkward shape and trying to help out the horse out, I ran over my time.

That was why I called the AFA back and asked about the contour gauge. They said yes, no problem. I really appreciate their common sense.


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RE:Certification AFA CF 18 Oct 2010 22:44 #137

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Paddy which test were you doing cf or cjf
and how long did you go over
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RE:Certification AFA CF 18 Oct 2010 22:54 #138

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PaddyFalvey wrote:
Eric,

In this case,

The widest part of this front foot was basically shaped in the same position as a hind foot, i.e had a quarter in it. If I'd dressed it back and shaped to look like a front foot (and I tried to) there would have been zero whiteline, and no wall. Then I get a 3 for taking too much wall off, then a fail.

I appreciate that ideal is the general objective. But this foot was never going to become an ideal shape, unless you literally took the wall at the quarters off. For the test this is considered a 3, and 1 score of 3 = a fail.

Thanks for the info about scoring on the test. Just so I understand eveything, the pic on the left? Why does it appear the quarter bends are so far back on the foot?
I tried bringing the quarter forward and did so to lessen the angle into the commissure, but the foot wouldn't allow the 2 angles (i.e. toe to WP and heel to WP to become one smooth line, as the wall was thin already. It would have meant rasping into the whiteline.

I didn't say anything about bringing the quarter forward, though you obviously could have on the left pic, I said shape it to fit it easier.
If the foot was shod properly in the first place it would grow into an ideal form over time. Herein lies the problem.

Does the anatomy change because of bad shoeing?
This horse was improperly shod from its outset, then left barefoot, got laid off and then put into foal, and now the extra weight is further deforming the capsule. I had to leave the gal with some wall integrity and then ofcourse perimeter fit for the AFA. I rasped as much as I could to lessen the 2 angles.

LOL, You should have asked for another horse!

In doing this awkward shape and trying to help out the horse out, I ran over my time.

Sounds like you need some help with hoof dressing! How can the foot be so forward with such a wide toe still?

Did you dress the foot before or after trim?
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RE:Certification AFA CF 18 Oct 2010 23:06 #139

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Hey Paddy BTW, Examiners aren't ******. They will see the foot you have to work with and know what you're up to and when things are starting to get dangerous. As much as it's supposed to be by the book, they are good farriers and probably aren't going to kill you for removing a little extra wall.

How flat can you get a foot? From what I've seen with the cf, trimming and hoof prep really matter. In the CJF you might get the benefit of the doubt if you mess a trim up, the cf they stop you quick.

Maybe if you're worried about fitting so much, worry about something else.

Keep in mind, the cf is just about good safe shoeing. Nice trim, well fit shoe that's not under the wall or wide enough to be stepped off. Nice nailing and finishing. It's not the top 10 at calgary.
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RE:Certification AFA CF 19 Oct 2010 23:16 #140

Thanks for the advice,

I'm doing the CF.

1. dress to desired shape. OK.
2. the foot on the left, maybe the camera angle?.
3. anatomy stays the same with or without shoes. But put on weight, add a wet environment, thin wall and flattish foot, and it spreads out quick.
4. Hoof dressing - am investing in a finishing rasp, using an old rasp is just not the thing to get the finish I need. Very very Good point, thankyou.
5. dressed the foot at trim stage, then made the shoe, nailed it on and only ran around the shoe to put an edge on it. Hence I thought the toe was just a tad under. I tried adjusting my front nails to pull the shoe forward and that helped.
6. Yep - it sure ain't top ten Calgary.

Luckily I've got plenty of work rolling in next week. I'm shaping up shoes front to hinds and back again, and making them back to keg pattern. This is helping alot.

thankyou everybody for the comments.

Paddy
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RE:Certification AFA CF 19 Oct 2010 23:18 #141

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Try dressing the foot before you trim, see how that works out for ya.
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RE:Certification AFA CF 20 Oct 2010 01:27 #142

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Paddy,
You can refuse the horse if you want to. Pull the shoes on your horse and wire brush the heck out em them. Assess them and then make the decision. Get one that is more to your liking.
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RE:Certification AFA CF 08 Jan 2011 04:59 #143

How should the shoe display be presented? Just take the shoes or display them somehow?
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RE:Certification AFA CF 08 Jan 2011 05:27 #144

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Just take the shoes. Just make sure you have all your mods. And they all fit the same fronts and hinds.
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RE:Certification AFA CF 08 Jan 2011 19:13 #145

Dhelton wrote:
Just take the shoes. Just make sure you have all your mods. And they all fit the same fronts and hinds.

OK, will do. Thanks
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RE:Certification AFA CF 09 Jan 2011 05:24 #146

If you take the time to actually put them on a board they will just make you take them off. Like Dan said just take them in a box or something of the like. They will get looked over buy about 5 different guys or so. They get handled a lot. Make sure you have followed the book! If you have any questions call the EXAMINER not a tester. The testers sure can help but at the end of the testing day the Examiner has the final say.

If you have basic question about a shoe mode post a photo and guys here can sure help.

Hopefully your shoes are top notch and nothing to worry about.;)
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RE:Certification AFA CF 09 Jan 2011 19:36 #147

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How should the shoe display be presented? Just take the shoes or display them somehow?
If I had to do it over again, just for gets and shiggles, I would tie all the shoes together with bailing twine and wear the display around my neck when I showed up for the exam. :D
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RE:Certification AFA CF 09 Jan 2011 20:11 #148

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If I had to do it over again, just for gets and shiggles, I would tie all the shoes together with bailing twine and wear the display around my neck when I showed up for the exam. :D


That'd be some heavy bling!:cool:
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RE:Certification AFA CF 09 Jan 2011 20:39 #149

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Actually, to present your shoes properly and 'wow' the examiner and testers, the following should be done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODu888i14-I
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RE:Certification AFA CF 09 Feb 2011 00:34 #150

Worked on the ext heels some today. I sure do hate this shoe, even more if I try and ext the heels of a keg! This is 13" of 5/16 by 3/4. I turned and hockey sticked the ends.

I don't know what I was thinking when I punched the shoe, I guess I let the ext heels trick my eyes into starting to punch to far back.

And struggle with the shape!


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