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RE:Question for Norval 18 Sep 2009 15:28 #31

NorvalWilhelm wrote:
How am I neglecting my wife of 41 years???
Attentiveness, is not measured in length of marriage,
holding a good job for many years,
providing physical needs,
doing the yard work, anna-ly

Nor doing the dishes, and house work meticulously.

One night a week, now that is attentive.

Before you are laid to rest, your wife might like to spend a little more time with you,
sometimes the things we think are so important, really aren't.

My wife and children have been gone for over 2 months.
She is looking after her sister who is dying of cancer.
My family is a day away from me, and it has been a long time.
It could be 1-6 months more.

The only reason I say this is because, it their absence,
I have come to realize, all of the work hours that I do . . .
. . . like you I am busy . . .
. . . are not what my family needs from me.

They need a little more attention, one on one, group time.

Some times we think we are so right,
but my alone time has given me a glimpse into a realm as if I lost my family,
and I can reflect as though I have lost my family,
so my hope is that when they return, after my sister inlaws death . . .
I will be a better husband and father,
than I though I already was.

In posting this, I hope you might take a moment and see through my eyes and heart,
and reflect on how it is for you.

If you discover that all is well, then yeaaaa.
Bradley SaintJohn

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RE:Question for Norval 18 Sep 2009 17:00 #32

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Bradley-1stChoice wrote:
My wife and children have been gone for over 2 months.
She is looking after her sister who is dying of cancer.
My family is a day away from me, and it has been a long time.
It could be 1-6 months more.

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Bradley that sucks and I know what you mean by lonely. My wife was away for 8 days this summer, the longest we have been apart in our whole 41 years and I missed her terribly
I couldn't imagine having her gone for 1-6 months
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RE:Question for Norval 19 Sep 2009 00:35 #33

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I'm still waiting for Norval's answers. Inquiring minds want to know.
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RE:Question for Norval 19 Sep 2009 09:27 #34

Norvall,

So you have a part time hobby shoeing horses and undercutting farriers prices that you fit in around your other two jobs. Thats fine its a free country. But why are you suprized that you are not recieved warmly by the full time farriers on this forum?
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RE:Question for Norval 19 Sep 2009 11:56 #35

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Points of reference:
Recently, the rear brakes froze up on my semi trailer, I use for hauling hay; I was unable to repair them myself and couldn't even free them up to get to a repair shop. I called a "professional" to make a farm call. Well, for only 4 shoes (brake) and 1 1/4 hrs that blood sucking full time professional had the audacity to charge me 2 of MY DAY'S WAGES! WHY, OH WHY?

Yesterday, we had the septic tank cleaned, again an EVIL full time professional arrived at 8am did his simple easy job (it's not rocket science) and was gone by 8:30am with 1 of MY DAY'S WAGES! HOW DARE HE?

If only, I had a Norval to subsidize my lifestyle...
If only, America had a Norval at our beckon call...

Norval, I've worked for guys like you on and off over the last 37 yrs. So yes, I know exactly who you are...
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RE:Question for Norval 19 Sep 2009 14:04 #36

Last time my shoeing truck was in the shop

They charged me a months shoeing wages. :eek:

Well OK a slow summer month, none the less . . .
Bradley SaintJohn

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RE:Question for Norval 19 Sep 2009 15:45 #37

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brian robertson wrote:
If only, I had a Norval to subsidize my lifestyle...
If only, America had a Norval at our beckon call...
Well Brian, we've got the next best thing. We have Obama. :eek:;)
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RE:Question for Norval 20 Sep 2009 13:11 #38

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But Rick, would he shoe my horse for free, if the neighbor girl was wearing her bikini while holding for him, like N?
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RE:Question for Norval 20 Sep 2009 17:28 #39

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I don't know, Brian. We'll have to ask him that next time he holds a town hall meeting. More importantly, would he distribute the money he earned shoeing your horse to those less fortunate than he or would he keep it for his own use?:)
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RE:Question for Norval 22 Sep 2009 14:23 #40

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NorvalWilhelm wrote:
At that point I start in doing it myself, that was 1986.]
With no training or apprenticeship. A horse owner who learned to tack them on. Just wonderful
I don't feel shoing is rocket science and anyone with a strong back, a good pair of hands, natural ability and that is a big one and a sense of what is right can shoe.
Natural ability is a big plus and I feel I have alot of it in any field I decide.
Uh, yeah. We all know how you feel about the trade and those engaged in it. If your ability is so great why must you use an expensive press to make rocker toes that the rest of us can easily accomplish with a cheap hardware store hammer?

Why did you invent that crazy contraption of a stall jack type thing instead of just using an anvil?

Sorry Norval but your wrong. Your ability obviously leaves a lot to be desired and as everybody on here knows if I had anything to say about it there wouldn't be guys like you in the trade.

George
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RE:Question for Norval 22 Sep 2009 15:51 #41

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George Geist wrote:
With no training or apprenticeship. A horse owner who learned to tack them on. Just wonderful
Uh, yeah. We all know how you feel about the trade and those engaged in it. If your ability is so great why must you use an expensive press to make rocker toes that the rest of us can easily accomplish with a cheap hardware store hammer?

Why did you invent that crazy contraption of a stall jack type thing instead of just using an anvil?

Sorry Norval but your wrong. Your ability obviously leaves a lot to be desired and as everybody on here knows if I had anything to say about it there wouldn't be guys like you in the trade.

George

I think this is the reason England passed the law to stop this sort of back yard farriers from bloching the profession.
Mikel Dawson, RJF

(Denmark)
What part of "NO" don't you understand!!

Caution: Watch for hoof in mouth disease!!!
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RE:Question for Norval 22 Sep 2009 16:23 #42

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Norval:

I live 65 miles North of Manhattan (NYC). I travel to a variety of counties where some people make 35K a year and other places where people make anywhere from 10 - 50 million a year.

But all those areas have toll roads, toll bridges, regular gas is almost 3.00 a gallon.

So for 4 plain steel shoes I see prices ranging from 150 for all 4 - 350 for all 4.

If you start adding products it goes steeper.

The cost of shoeing isn't just your hour of time, how silly to think that. What goes into every cost of hoofcare for every horse is:

Time
Materials (shoes/rasps/knife/glues/IM/CS, etc) Some materials are used all at once, others have their life expectancy shortened with every use.
Don't forget for those that shape shoes hot, all the tongs, hammers, pritchels, anvil, etc.
Propane
Car - wear and tear, oil changes, tire changes, car insurance, gas, maintenance costs. Your vehicle is a business expense.
Education - the money spent on books, clinics, conventions

You trying to make yourself out to be a better person because you charge a little less is silly.

If someone can not afford to have their horses feet taken care of every 5 weeks, than to me they can not afford to have a horse.

I used to worry about other peoples monetary problems, I couldn't care less anymore. One off circumstances are different. But it is not my (our) job to help support someone's addiction.

None of my clients expect me to.

Before starting to work on horses feet, I worked in the IT Industry, I was paid very very well. I like having my work valued at a high price. It allows me to support my horse addiction ;)

If I lived somewhere else, I'm sure my charges would be priced accordingly. Not to undercut my fellow farriers but because that is what the local economy dictates.

Sounds like your wife is right, don't try and make us wrong because of your poor planning.
Kim Cassidy
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RE:Question for Norval 22 Sep 2009 17:32 #43

Reading through this thread and it is interesting to see so many take things out of context and make things personal. I do not get the impression that Norval is attacking the farrier trade. He had issues with a couple of farriers he had hired to do the job and decided to shoe his own.

Give the guy a break, he is doing no harm and comes here to share what he does like the rest of us.
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RE:Question for Norval 22 Sep 2009 17:39 #44

irishcas wrote:
If I lived somewhere else, I'm sure my charges would be priced accordingly. Not to undercut my fellow farriers but because that is what the local economy dictates.

Kim, no such thing as undercutting. If you hear a farrier say he/she was under cut, they need to look in the mirror and re access. My neighbor is walking distance for me to shoe his horses, we are good friends but my prices are too high for him. He chooses to use a farrier that charges significantly less than I do, I think it is around 60.00 front and hind shoes. His horses are sound and he is happy. Does not effect me or my life whatsoever. The use of the word undercut is an excuse. You do what you need to do and the other guy/gal does what they need to do and life goes on.
Phil Armitage, CF
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RE:Question for Norval 22 Sep 2009 17:48 #45

NorvalWilhelm wrote:
Gary my wife doesn't begrudge me the time with the horses. She knows I love them and I don't neglect my time with her and I will get every chore done around the house, I will find the time. The machine shop is in my own yard so i am at home when I am machining.
It is good that you and your wife have a common interest. You must be very proud to have a son like that.
'It is important in a marriage to have common interests. 41 years, 42 years this Oct 26th and going strong.

Norval, I like how much you care about horses. I think everyone that participates on this forum cares and has a passion for horses. Sometimes that passion can get a discussion to side track and get a bit carried away.

Take care friend, your a good man.
Phil Armitage, CF
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