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RE:Question for Norval 17 Sep 2009 20:10 #16

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For $300 I get this

Pay attention to your wife about charging or you may have to book that room for a few months. :D
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RE:Question for Norval 17 Sep 2009 20:12 #17

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It's a fact that every man knows his own worth.

If that's as little as Norval thinks of himself and his ability it speaks volumes. It is perhaps part of the reason for his deaply held disdain for horseshoers.
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RE:Question for Norval 17 Sep 2009 20:18 #18

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Hi all,

Guys, guys, guys, has it not occured to you that a guy who takes pictures of everything has only pictures of I think one horse. Also simple math will tell you that Norval's ridden 1/2 way to the moon over 40 some years of riding which make one wonder where he finds the time to shoe these thousands of horses he speaks of never mind the time he spends running down farrier work when he can't even make shoe. Sometimes things just arn't what they seem.

Kevin you are stuck in a route?? Making shoes is the bee all and end all for you. To me pounding on a piece of hot metal doesn't turn me on. To me a machine made shoe is just fine and cost efficient. Selecting a piece of steel, cutting it to length, heating in in a forge, pounding it on an anvil, punching holes , doing whatever you feel it needs to me again is not cost efficient. Picking a keg shoe and slightly reshaping it to fit to me is far more cost efficent.
If IF I decided I wanted to pound out shoes I would do it. It is all a matter of what you think is important and making shoes to me is not.

As for riding, I love to ride and make it a point to get out at least 4 times a week. I find the time to saddle up and head out for an hour or two, sometimes even in the dark or at sun rise but I find the time. You make time for what's important to you.
Between 5:45 and 10 at night there is 16 hours, use it wisely.
I run logs on every horse I own and my old guy in 17 years ran over 30,000 logged miles. My new young guy is running only 40 per week but it will pick up as he matures.
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RE:Question for Norval 17 Sep 2009 20:25 #19

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George Geist wrote:
It is perhaps part of the reason for his deaply held disdain for horseshoers.
George

No George. Alot of my distain comes from running into my farrier at a ride , he was drunk and with a number of friends. I was with 3 ladies and the fowl suggestions coming out of his mouth assured that he would never shoe for me agian
My next guy looked and suggested to my woman about a trade for shoing so I never used him again.
At that point I start in doing it myself, that was 1986.
I was running 3 endurance horses back then and loosing 2 or 3 shoes a week was the norm. Again another reason to start shoeing myself.
No mud and all fences were boards.
I don't feel shoing is rocket science and anyone with a strong back, a good pair of hands, natural ability and that is a big one and a sense of what is right can shoe.
Natural ability is a big plus and I feel I have alot of it in any field I decide.
At one time I decided to brick a large addition. I just went out and started bricking and my speed picked up and it turned out really well. I am no brick layer but I have done a number of building since then.
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RE:Question for Norval 17 Sep 2009 20:27 #20

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smitty88 wrote:
Now Kevin go easy on Norval
there are alot on here that cant make shoes

thank you smitty but I honestly don't want to learn. I have never seen a hand made shoe. I asked the old amish guy recently and he told me only on a very large draft would he make a shoe. Keg are the only shoes used at the barns I have been at in the last 25 years.
If I wanted to learn I would do it. I can usually do anything I set my mind to.
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RE:Question for Norval 17 Sep 2009 20:31 #21

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I want to know why some people can't afford a decent car to get their hard working self to their job, and others get to have a blown Corvette.
I should restate. Why is money taken from the poor, so that the rich can be given a blown Corvette?

What has my blown corvette got to do with anything?? I built that thing. Nearly every part on it was worked or created by me as a hobby in my shop. Even right down to the paint, hand done by me in the driveway and it is show quality because I put my mind to doing it.
I drive a 1997 dodge ram 4 x4 because I like my old truck but it is in mint MINT condition. The undercarrige will match a brand new truck right now.
One of you guys could run out and take a picture of your undercarriage I will match it with my old 97
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RE:Question for Norval 17 Sep 2009 21:30 #22

Hey Norval,

From what I've seen, farriers around here typically charge:

$90-110 four new shoes
$30-40 trim
$65-90 reset four

Price goes up if anything extra is needed. I have plenty of friends that make lots of sacrifices to keep their horses up-to-date on everything they need, and I know of even more people that don't. I don't feel farriers are over-charging. It's a job that carries a lot of risk to support the hobbies of others.
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RE:Question for Norval 18 Sep 2009 00:27 #23

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MyraLynn79 wrote:
Hey Norval,

From what I've seen, farriers around here typically charge:

$90-110 four new shoes
$30-40 trim
$65-90 reset four

Price goes up if anything extra is needed. I have plenty of friends that make lots of sacrifices to keep their horses up-to-date on everything they need, and I know of even more people that don't. I don't feel farriers are over-charging. It's a job that carries a lot of risk to support the hobbies of others.

To me those are really good prices. Better then most and everyone loves a deal.
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RE:Question for Norval 18 Sep 2009 02:16 #24

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Areas dictate prices. It costs more on the island where Copenhagen is than here. I do charge the same price for resets as I do new shoes - same work. Instead of lot of shaping, I got cleaning so time is spent.
Mikel Dawson, RJF

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RE:Question for Norval 18 Sep 2009 03:52 #25

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NorvalWilhelm wrote:
So to me an acceptable price for a reset is $120 and I don't believe everyone wears out their shoes every 8 weeks and need new ones and about $190 max for a winter package.
I don't think this is a bad price at all for a shoe job when you consider all the costs associated with operating a business.
I charge $90 for a basic shoe and the same for a reset. Its my decision if I reuse the shoes. I plan on going up next year if the economy comes around.

NorvalWilhelm wrote:
Farriers have the horse world by the short and curls and I don't feel we should take advange of that fact. Without a farrier a person can't keep a horse and we know it.
Wither a person can afford to keep a horse or not has no reflection on what I charge. My expenses and desired income is what reflects what I charge.

NorvalWilhelm wrote:
Well some of you do. I make allowances for what a person can afford.
I figure if a person can't afford to pay my prices they can go somewhere else. I do not change my price just because you can't afford the price.

NorvalWilhelm wrote:
I have a soft heart and give me a sad story and I will cut you a break. That includes everything I do in life.
I have a soft heart to and will help you out if I can. However, when it comes to my business I run it like a business. ether pay the prices or go somewhere else.

NorvalWilhelm wrote:
My wife says I am a poor business man because I don't know how to charge
Listen to your wife, or better yet let her manage the business to include billing.
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RE:Question for Norval 18 Sep 2009 04:40 #26

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The going price was $120 for a reset and I thought while high that was the going price. Now suddenly the going price is $157 for a reset. To me that is getting to high. I feel we have to take other peoples income into account. The normal working mom doesn't make near enough in a full day for a simple reset or one hour of our time so no I think the price of a reset is getting too high
Now for a winter package, 4 new shoes, 4 pads and borium, runs about $190 max but now the going price here is a touch over $300.
Even my wife a top of the pay scale nurse doesn't bring $300 home a day after a full day. Why should a farrier feel his hour is worth more then my professional wife's 8 hour day??
I have a feeling of personal worth but don't feel it is that much above everyone elses.
How would you feel if you had to HAD TO go to the dentist every 2 months like clock work and he took everything you made in a long 8 hour day and did one hours work?
My son runs and owns an honest repair shop, an honest one and he makes a good living off it charging on $20 a brake job per end, he feels it is a fair price for 20 minutes work and doesn't like ripping the public off.

So to me an acceptable price for a reset is $120 and I don't believe everyone wears out their shoes every 8 weeks and need new ones and about $190 max for a winter package.

Farriers have the horse world by the short and curls and I don't feel we should take advange of that fact. Without a farrier a person can't keep a horse and we know it. Well some of you do. I make allowances for what a person can afford.

I have a soft heart and give me a sad story and I will cut you a break. That includes everything I do in life.

My wife says I am a poor business man because I don't know how to charge

Norval,just look how everybody is worried about you? They are worried about how much you charge,because they want yu to understand the trade a little better.Because you can hurt alot of farriers if you do it cheaper.I don't like people telling me how much to charge.And if your wife has a good job,that gives you the power to do whatever you want.Any man who has a wife that doesn't work and he has to do it all by himself,has a different look on life.But if you were the only one making the living,then you may have to charge a bit more?But i wouldn't worry about it........I would just take better care of my wife.........................
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RE:Question for Norval 18 Sep 2009 12:57 #27

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....I would just take better care of my wife.........................

I have been working/teaching at a large university for 42 years this year. Working an 8 hour day, 5 days a week. Shoing is something I do in the evenings and weekends. I don't miss a day from work and don't take sick time.
How am I neglecting my wife of 41 years??? As for work around the home I am extremely annal about the lawns, the flower beds, maintenance etc etc.
I wash dishes every night, I do the vacuuming, I clean the toilets. I am a neet freak as is my wife.
Again with a steady pay income for 42 years from the university job, my part time job as a farrier and my part time job as a machinist how am I neglecting my wife???
We have a date every EVERY Friday night with a nice dinner out at every new restaurant we can find. Have upheld this tradition for our entire 41 married years.
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RE:Question for Norval 18 Sep 2009 14:17 #28

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NorvalWilhelm wrote:
Again with a steady pay income for 42 years from the university job, my part time job as a farrier and my part time job as a machinist how am I neglecting my wife???
To many part time jobs.:D

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We have a date every EVERY Friday night with a nice dinner out at every new restaurant we can find. Have upheld this tradition for our entire 41 married years.
Good going my wife and me try to do something every Friday as well. Right now it HS football night to watch our son play.
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RE:Question for Norval 18 Sep 2009 14:26 #29

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To many part time jobs.:D

Good going my wife and me try to do something every Friday as well. Right now it HS football night to watch my son play.

Gary my wife doesn't begrudge me the time with the horses. She knows I love them and I don't neglect my time with her and I will get every chore done around the house, I will find the time. The machine shop is in my own yard so i am at home when I am machining.
It is good that you and your wife have a common interest. You must be very proud to have a son like that.
'It is important in a marriage to have common interests. 41 years, 42 years this Oct 26th and going strong.
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41 years, 42 years this Oct 26th and going strong.
We have a long way to go before we catch up, 24 years this Oct 4th or is it the 5th I keep forgetting.:D:eek:
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