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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 12 Oct 2009 12:56 #16

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kanehill i hope your move to portugal has gone allright.i look forward to meeting you chris
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 21 Feb 2010 15:37 #17

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Hi Chris and y'all,

sorry for the delay in reply but I have been flat out like a lizard drinking trying to sort out the residency here in Portugal(I have been here for 6 weeks).

Getting my shoeing gear shipped from Australia to here is proving difficult so it is looking like I will be buying all from scratch! I hope to have some trimming gear here in a week or two....so I can get under some horses again! It has been too long!(provided I get the clients of course!).

Unfortunately buying a whole new rig means I dont get to go to Heartland....

So now I am checking out shoeing suppliers in Europe, I guess kerckaert might be the way to go.

Well now I am back online if you guys dont mind I will keep you all updated on my progress and experiences! Of course I will also be picking your brains every chance I can get.....I have a feeling this is going to be a lot different from shoeing in Australia!

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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 21 Feb 2010 18:05 #18

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kanehill wrote:
Hi Chris and y'all,

sorry for the delay in reply but I have been flat out like a lizard drinking trying to sort out the residency here in Portugal(I have been here for 6 weeks).

Getting my shoeing gear shipped from Australia to here is proving difficult so it is looking like I will be buying all from scratch! I hope to have some trimming gear here in a week or two....so I can get under some horses again! It has been too long!(provided I get the clients of course!).

Unfortunately buying a whole new rig means I dont get to go to Heartland....

So now I am checking out shoeing suppliers in Europe, I guess kerckaert might be the way to go.

Well now I am back online if you guys dont mind I will keep you all updated on my progress and experiences! Of course I will also be picking your brains every chance I can get.....I have a feeling this is going to be a lot different from shoeing in Australia!

Regards
mark

Try: www.eki.es
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 21 Feb 2010 20:55 #19

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Hey Ray,

Thanks mate I appreciate that, I checked the site and it looks good, I have asked for prices.

regards
mark
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 22 Feb 2010 09:28 #20

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i am now buying in from the uk, they are a lot more reliable and as i speak now less than halve the price including tax and delivery.you need to speak to me about several things because nobody will tell about several legal requirements that will end in some hefty fines and your vehicle been impounded.where are you located ? we will have to try and meet up
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 22 Feb 2010 13:26 #21

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try A.doCARMO 214912939 the chap you need to talk to speaks english and his name is leen he is the main kerkheart agent and is based in amadora lisboa
i can get you mustads dealer his name is bruno and he is based in santarem.make sure you check prices and availability and get it in writing things change here by the second
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 23 Feb 2010 03:33 #22

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Nothing like a challenge!
I was a bit excited that there would be another Aussie at Heartland in August course but 'tis not to be by the sounds of it. Good luck Mark, sounds like you are diving in the deep end - stories to tell the grand kids!
Chris; Sorry to hear the fuzz has rained on your parade, it must be very hard to run a business there.
Rachael :)
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 23 Feb 2010 10:52 #23

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You might want to read this. http://www.justlanded.com/english/Portugal/Portugal-Guide/Business/Starting-a-Business-in-Portugal

It sounds very difficult (and probably not very profitable) for some one who isn't an EU national to get set up in Portugal.
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 23 Feb 2010 14:42 #24

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Hi All,

Thanks Chris I will call them today, I am based in Lisbon. Where in the Algarve are you?

Rachael, lucky you living in the Coffs area...my favourite part of the world!....ok Yeppoon QLD might be my favourite! All the best with your time at Heartland, from everything I have heard and read the tuition is excellent.

Hey Mike thanks for the heads up....I am actually a resident of Portugal now so I will avoid a lot of the issues you were talking about,but you are right, and I am not deluding myself starting a shoeing business is not going to be easy. In the past my punctuality, kind attitude to horses and "average shoeing ability" has provided me with a comfortable income. However I am not sure this will be enough to make the grade here in Portugal....seems like a lot of not what you know but who you know is rule of thumb here.But as Rachael has pointed out you have to jump in and give it a go! All I can do is give it my best shot. If it doesnt work, it wont be from a lack of effort.But I guess I have to be realistic....its not going to be a picnic.
Anyway I will keep you all updated on the progress!
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 23 Feb 2010 17:17 #25

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Hey Chris,

Tried to call your contact in Amadora, but I got a private number.
Anyway the spanish supplier that Ray put me on to, have got back to me and they sound good and very helpful. They are sending prices to me.

Once I am set up I would like to meet up with you if you are still ok with that?
Now that I can not make it to Heartland any advise or help i can get will be invaluable(especially the forging side because I am the first to admit I need "back to basics" tutorial on shoemaking.)Of course like you suggested I also need the heads up on "shoeing in Portugal".

Well any help you can provide will be appreciated!
Hope to hear from you soon.
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 23 Feb 2010 20:50 #26

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Mark.You will see Portugal and Spain are very different than Australia or another anglosajon countries.Her,the time goes more slow..

My supplies are www.eki.es If you want Kerkhaert www.herrajesycaballos.com is your contact.

You must care the legal aspect of your work and your vehicle. Te police is very hard and the fine go up.

Your vehicle need legalized. If you think buy one,my van is for sale. Check
http://www.eki.es/foro/viewtopic.php?t=78
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www.farriergabino.com
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 24 Feb 2010 14:02 #27

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mark,just been done by the fiscal police again this morning,documentation recorded i had 60 shoes and associated products,i had 58 shoes and no documents to account for missing pair.vehicle impounded and 35 euro fine. hope to get van back friday,more likely next week.
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 24 Feb 2010 14:22 #28

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chris bunting wrote:
mark,just been done by the fiscal police again this morning,documentation recorded i had 60 shoes and associated products,i had 58 shoes and no documents to account for missing pair.vehicle impounded and 35 euro fine. hope to get van back friday,more likely next week.
chris

It sounds like a real nightmare. That's where we're headed if folks don't wise up.
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 24 Feb 2010 14:45 #29

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mike,i have to have a licence to drive the van outside the hours of 5pm to 8 am ,a licence to take the children to school, i cannot carry passengers who are not in direct employment ,i need a licence to make shoes, i cannot use shoes that are not considered "normal" without veterinary permission,honestly this countrys way of conducting business and its practices is a joke. i havent scratched the surface of what it is really like, but i now just do as the locals and ignore everything until i get caught and then a back hander usually works
chris
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RE:Starting Business in Europe(Portugal) 24 Feb 2010 18:02 #30

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Good lord Chris. This would be enough to drive many a chap out of the business. Can you get around it somehow by having your clients purchase the shoes and only applying their property to their horse?

Madness. Good luck to you!
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