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TOPIC: "Just put front shoes on" only??

"Just put front shoes on" only?? 08 Jul 2009 16:52 #1

The same for Danvers Child article on trimming, can be said also about just putting front shoes on.

We also devaluate the cost of just front shoes only a horse.

We have to drive all the way down there, use just the same amount of time, gas, cost of materials: MINUS: - 1 extra pr of hind shoes for about $ 5.00 a pair, for the same amount of horses for "HALF" the money!! to shoe these horses??

Just like we have not given trimming the credit it deserves;
neither, have or do we give ourselves the credit for charging enough for front shoes only customers, as our completely shod horse clients.

It should not be so that the client can save "half" on the shoeing costs;
it should be for what's in the best interest in the foot care of our clients horses.

.............................................Linda Marie...............................
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 08 Jul 2009 17:03 #2

ladyblacksmith wrote:
It should not be so that the client can save "half" on the shoeing costs;
it should be for what's in the best interest in the foot care of our clients horses.
Hi Linda Marie

I haven't read the article, as I don't receive the mag.

But I would have to say - In A Perfect World.

I charge as much as the market will bare
40/40/40 Trim/Fronts/Hinds.
Always suggesting to never half shoe a horse.
Kinda like just lefts or just rights,
hey I might be on to something. :D
Bradley SaintJohn

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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 08 Jul 2009 18:35 #3

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ladyblacksmith wrote:
We also devaluate the cost of just front shoes only a horse.
Perhaps you do, but the same cannot be said of me. :)
We have to drive all the way down there, use just the same amount of time, gas, cost of materials: MINUS: - 1 extra pr of hind shoes for about $ 5.00 a pair, for the same amount of horses for "HALF" the money!! to shoe these horses??
The time and gas expense are charged regardless of whether its a trim, a trim and two shoes, or a trim and four shoes. My fee for trimming and applying two shoes is $15.00 less than it would be for trimming and applying four shoes.
Just like we have not given trimming the credit it deserves;
neither, have or do we give ourselves the credit for charging enough for front shoes only customers, as our completely shod horse clients.
Since it is you who gets to determine the fees charged, you should be setting your business up accordingly.
It should not be so that the client can save "half" on the shoeing costs;
Apparently, I have my clients trained differently than you have yours trained.

As I said, its your business, you set the fees.

Do you also charge less to reset shoes than you do to apply new ones?
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 08 Jul 2009 19:24 #4

Rick Burten wrote:
Perhaps you do, but the same cannot be said of me. :)

The time and gas expense are charged regardless of whether its a trim, a trim and two shoes, or a trim and four shoes. My fee for trimming and applying two shoes is $15.00 less than it would be for trimming and applying four shoes.

Since it is you who gets to determine the fees charged, you should be setting your business up accordingly.

Apparently, I have my clients trained differently than you have yours trained.

As I said, its your business, you set the fees.

Do you also charge less to reset shoes than you do to apply new ones?


You are different then.

The guys around here get [on the average: $25/70/110] $25 a trim, $70 for fronts and trim behind, and $110 for all four plain keg shoes, add $10 extra for aluminum. Most do resets $10 less than new shoes.

Very low end is.. $10/20+/40+ for hot shoeing with drill tec/borium; pads extra $5 for road horses in this area of Lancaster Country, Pa.

Low end is........ $20/40/55 for cold lite keg St. Croix nailed on.

Average is........ $25/70/110 for hot shoeing w/ $10 extra for aluminum

Average plus is.. $30/85/130 for hot shoeing w/ $20+ extra studs/aluminum

High end is........ $35/95/180 for hot shoeing w/ $35+ extra for anything.

Upper high end is $45+/140+/240+ for hot shoeing w/ $50+ extras;
but those guys travel all over and are committed to the very high level show barns here.

Top end is.......$95+/190+/300++ for hot shoeing w/ $65+ extras.
but this is rare, only one guy is doing that at one barn only.

Glueing can go from $250 for fronts to over $800 for all 4 feet using that Yasha shoes at the racetrack.

There is such a diversity on pricing from one farrier to another; but remains the same is the front shoes are almost HALF of what 4 shoes cost in this area.
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 08 Jul 2009 19:26 #5

Bradley-1stChoice wrote:
Hi Linda Marie

I haven't read the article, as I don't receive the mag.

But I would have to say - In A Perfect World.

I charge as much as the market will bare
40/40/40 Trim/Fronts/Hinds.
Always suggesting to never half shoe a horse.
Kinda like just lefts or just rights,
hey I might be on to something. :D

I'm just trying to get the farriers to think about it.
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 08 Jul 2009 22:59 #6

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That's funny Linda, seems your trims are a little disproportionate to your shoeing. I'm not in a great area, but I'm in what I guess you would call "average plus".

I figured my prices a little differently than some do. I figured my base price is for the trim. $40. Then I figure how much is reasonable (demographics considered) to fit, apply, and finish a pair of kegs to a trimmed foot. (their shoes or mine) $25. My invoices have trims and shoe application listed seperate.

Then more for everything extra. (except for plain stamp handmades)

I'm actually the highest locally, and still in the "average plus" in pretty much all my regular service areas.

Around here average is $25/$45/$75 and for the most part only go down from there.
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 09 Jul 2009 02:43 #7

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Have to agree with Rick.

$40 bucks covers my trip and a trim for a light horse.

My fee for front kegs (cold or hot) doubles this plus a bit.

Adding rears is fairly inexpensive... another $20 bucks.

In short, the bulk of the cost to the customer is in getting me there and doing the bulk of the work. This allows us to discuss any hind shoeing needs largely independent of cost.

It's not about the cost. It's about what the horse needs; the quality of service I can deliver to my valued clients; what the market will bear, AND the risk inherent to the work we do!

The risks are real! So are the business costs associated with managing those risks.

By way of example and as explanation for my recent lack of participation on these forums and at work....



Cheers,
Mark
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 09 Jul 2009 02:53 #8

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Had wondered where you were, Mark. Everything OK?
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The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 10 Jul 2009 02:15 #9

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Jack Evers wrote:
Had wondered where you were, Mark. Everything OK?

I'm okay and getting better Jack. Thanks for asking.

A horse came down on me hard and I twisted the dicken's out of my back trying to get out from underneath her.

Radiographs were to rule out fractures, herniated discs, etc. Doc's first impression was possible big trouble.

Problem ended up being strained ligaments at the SI joint and some muscle damage.

Took a few days off and laying low while I get it back together. Good opportunity to go over the Chris Gregory certification DVD's I've been wanting to review. :)

See ya buddy,
Mark
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 10 Jul 2009 02:55 #10

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alot of mares and stallions i just trim and shoe the fronts and trim the rear. $75.00 a head.
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 11 Jul 2009 02:55 #11

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I charge 40/70/90.

My basic thinking is the cost of a full shoe is $90, a trim is $40. 90-40=50/2=25 round up to even $10 thats $30. 40+30=70. Thus $70 for a half shoe.
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 12 Jul 2009 13:12 #12

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My work is priced - $51 / $116.50 / $154. Special shoes - $30 extra. Driving on top of that. My prices are around middle of the top of the scale. Will probably do a price increase after the first of the year.
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 12 Jul 2009 13:46 #13

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Besides rasps, apron, knives, nippers, hoof stands, just about everything else we haul around on our rigs ought to be attributed to overhead cost of shoeing.

When I started out I was:

4 shoes = trim fee x 3
2 shoes = trim fee x 2

After a few years I asked myself, "Are you subsidizing your shoeing (tools, rig, inventory) with your trimming?" After some accounting review I switched up to this:

4 shoes = trim fee x 4
2 shoes = trim fee x 3

Even at that ratio, profit distribution could still favor trimming unless you shoe many and trim few. OTOH, my rig and tools have been fully depreciated for a while. The "x4" ratio is about funding the next rig and keeping the existing one as a spare. Which raises the next question -

How many of you have a spare shoeing rig or some way of keeping your business working in the event your primary rig is broke down, wrecked, or stolen? Would you be out of business for hours, days, or weeks if your rig was swiped along with all of the tools in it? I recall that happening to someone on this forum a while back.
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 12 Jul 2009 14:12 #14

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tbloomer wrote:
How many of you have a spare shoeing rig or some way of keeping your business working in the event your primary rig is broke down, wrecked, or stolen? Would you be out of business for hours, days, or weeks if your rig was swiped along with all of the tools in it? I recall that happening to someone on this forum a while back.

I don't have an extra truck or a seperate stash of inventory but I have another car and I could round up enough stuff to keep going in pretty short order.

You got me thinking though. I have duplicates and even triplicates of most tools. Most of it is in my truck but it doesn't need to be. It would probably make sense to take some out and leave it in the shop.
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RE:"Just put front shoes on" only?? 13 Jul 2009 12:20 #15

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ladyblacksmith wrote:
The same for Danvers Child article on trimming, can be said also about just putting front shoes on.

We also devaluate the cost of just front shoes only a horse.

We have to drive all the way down there, use just the same amount of time, gas, cost of materials: MINUS: - 1 extra pr of hind shoes for about $ 5.00 a pair, for the same amount of horses for "HALF" the money!! to shoe these horses??

Just like we have not given trimming the credit it deserves;
neither, have or do we give ourselves the credit for charging enough for front shoes only customers, as our completely shod horse clients.

It should not be so that the client can save "half" on the shoeing costs;
it should be for what's in the best interest in the foot care of our clients horses.

.............................................Linda Marie...............................

I don't know Linda,

In most places I've been most guys charge in 3rds. Trim is 1/3rd of whatever you get for shoeing, half a horse is 2/3rds etc. Even a sub shop charges more than half for a half a sandwich don't they?
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