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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 11 Jul 2009 04:41 #31

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NicktheShoer wrote:
That is a really nice bar room story you had there, but would you recommend a young shoer in that same position to do the same?

Don't really care if you believe it or not. The events as related in the story are accurate. You'll note that I didn't recommend what I did be copied by anyone else. I simply related what worked for me.
BTW.... I was just curious.... If you gave a number on that ad that was a pay phone so she couldn't call back, did your friend have to sit outside by the pay phone for a few days waiting for her to call? If she even saw the ad at all?

No. I knew from what she had told me that she was trying very hard to purchase a horse with specific qualities, and she'd mentioned which publications she was reading, including the local newspaper. It didn't take much of a leap of faith to know that she'd call very soon after the ad appeared. And she did, on the second day. My friend would've sat there a week if need be, because the stable owner had treated her poorly. To quote Khan, "Revenge is a dish best served cold."

Now, move along....

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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 11 Jul 2009 04:43 #32

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Cyber Farrier wrote:
Now, move along....

Baron

You got it dude.
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 11 Jul 2009 05:11 #33

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
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damn good reason to shoe there: i can pull down in one good day what most folks bring home in 2 weeks if i get a good bunch and my holder is on his toes.

I enjoyed life on the backside, but I think your figures are bit off. If you're getting $100 a head and working by yourself, plating 20 horses in one day might be possible - although 10 would be a more realistic figure - and the best possible day you could have would gross $2,000.

In any metro area of Texas, the bottom for hunters, jumpers, and dressage horses is $140 a head. Even the laziest of farriers servicing this market can get a couple done in the morning and a couple done in the afternoon and be home in time to watch the ball game. Four head a day is $560, multiplied by five days a week, comes to $2,800 gross per week. Two weeks work grosses $5,600, which is twice as much as a plater getting $100 a pop can gross in a single day at the races.

Bear mind that many H/J/D farriers are getting more than $140 a head and most are shoeing more than four a day. :)

from what i heard going rate for a shoeing thruout the south,south east and midwest is no where near $140+ a head. but this is kinda like comparing body part sizes here fellas.
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 11 Jul 2009 05:17 #34

I have removed shoes from horses of non-paying clients.
Some of which had the audacity to refuse right after the job was done.
(one said because I didn't get there soon enough)

If the job is not paid for, the shoes are not theirs.

Cars get repossessed, so do horseshoes.
Bradley SaintJohn

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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 11 Jul 2009 05:19 #35

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Bradley-1stChoice wrote:

Cars get repossessed, so do horseshoes.

You are right... the CEO of Bank of America once drove out of my driveway with my brand new Aston Martin.

That is called collateral. I do not believe it works the same for a service? Perhaps you can put a lien on them? Besides, what did the shoes cost you? $5 maybe?

Pretty nice.
Sir Nicholas J. McDonald IV, Esq.
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 11 Jul 2009 15:24 #36

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Down here the Law calls it "Theft of Services".
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 11 Jul 2009 17:56 #37

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halfmiler wrote:
from what i heard going rate for a shoeing thruout the south,south east and midwest is no where near $140+ a head. but this is kinda like comparing body part sizes here fellas.

I don't know where in the midwest you're talking about but a bunch of us get a good deal more than that.
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 11 Jul 2009 20:07 #38

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halfmiler in gray, my old stuff in brown

"In any metro area of Texas, the bottom for hunters, jumpers, and dressage horses is $140 a head..."

from what i heard going rate for a shoeing thruout the south,south east and midwest is no where near $140+ a head.

Your source is partially correct. My information was somewhat dated and based on what I was getting for shoeing as the official farrier at the Pin Oak USEF "AA" H/J show, other USEF "A" H/J shows, as well as the Region 9 Dressage Championships, Southwestern Dressage Championship, Texas Championships and other USDF shows in Greater Houston. I've spoken to several H/J/D show farriers servicing the Texas market and have learned that since I've been retired, the bottom at H/J/D shows and show barns is closer to $200, not $140. Thank you for pointing out my error.

but this is kinda like comparing body part sizes here fellas.


No brag, just fact. :)
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 12 Jul 2009 13:01 #39

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How d-umb was it? He got his money didn't he?

I did the same one time. Had a customer who wouldn't pay. I waited until Wednesday afternoon knowing they were going to a show on Saturday, took the shoes off. She called, madder than a wet hen. I said no problem, I could reset the shoes on Friday morning, but she had to pay what was due plus the reset fee. From then on, she paid in advance. Worked for me.
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 12 Jul 2009 13:55 #40

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I never made it quite so complicated and I never actually had to do it but I've threatened to pull shoes off.

In one instance that comes to mind, I went out to the polo field during a match and told the offending player that I was going to pull all the shoes off all his horses starting with the horse he was sitting on unless he paid me. He paid me.

What I find interesting is that in the old days (my first term in this business) I was never cheated out of anything. I had to chase a few people around and put up with a few rubber checks but everybody eventually made good. In the last few years since I've been back, I've been stiffed a few times. It's been trims or horses that left town so there aren't any shoes to repo. I think there are more crooks than there used to be.

While I'd like to get my money, it's probably not practical. What is it they say...good rid ens to bad rubbish? So they got a few bucks from me but they're garbage and, on some level, they know it.
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 12 Jul 2009 16:19 #41

our court system chases people down for us...they get their driver's licenses suspended if they fail to appear before the magistrate and pay what they owe, plus the court's fees...i just take the bounced check down and submit it to the court...if it's an unpaid invoice...we have a local collection agency that gets our money...works for me
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 12 Jul 2009 17:44 #42

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MyraLynn79 wrote:
our court system chases people down for us...they get their driver's licenses suspended if they fail to appear before the magistrate and pay what they owe, plus the court's fees...i just take the bounced check down and submit it to the court...if it's an unpaid invoice...we have a local collection agency that gets our money...works for me

I don't know where you are but bad checks are a crime here too and the prosecutor will act on them. We also have collection agencies, though I've never hired one so I don't know exatly what it takes to get one working.
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 12 Jul 2009 17:46 #43

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MyraLynn79 wrote:
our court system chases people down for us...they get their driver's licenses suspended if they fail to appear before the magistrate and pay what they owe, plus the court's fees...i just take the bounced check down and submit it to the court...if it's an unpaid invoice...we have a local collection agency that gets our money...works for me

I think that is wonderful advice.

It would be fun to **** off the owner by pulling the shoes off, don't get me wrong, but it does seem like a lot of extra work to me. I would rather drink beer than go out pulling shoes.
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 12 Jul 2009 21:07 #44

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I may have just had a good streak of luck but in 15 years been shorted 150 bucks is all..........damn sure we have lost more do to my ****ty math than cheating clients... I do bill as well.....somtimes have had to wait longer that should be expected however everyone paid up eventualy........you gather more flies with honey that vineger I think.
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RE:how to deal with non paying clients? 16 Jul 2009 09:40 #45

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Baron, best story I've read all week! Perfect. I hope you all do the same when someone stiffs you.
Karen Fletcher
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