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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 11 Jun 2009 21:13 #106

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Sorry Ray, My Bad!
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 12 Jun 2009 02:41 #107

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BRAVO Phil !!!! ( Hugs )
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 12 Jun 2009 02:58 #108

ray steele wrote:
By the way,

who is this guy Phil Armitage any way?

regards

ray Steele
He is the new-age, Bad a** Farrier!!!
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 13 Jun 2009 07:57 #109

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Good job on passing the written and shoe board Phil. Sounds like you got a plan for passing the shoeing part as well. Hope all goes well on your next try.
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 02:51 #110

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Does anyone know how Phil did last weekend in Virginia?
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 03:34 #111

T. Wm. HALL wrote:
Does anyone know how Phil did last weekend in Virginia?

Well I finished on time with a minute left, better than my first try, which felt great. Problem is I had difficulty keeping shoes with no clips in place while nailing up and missed the fit in the toe. I'm so use to using clips. The tester and a couple of others took a lot of time discussing my fit. I had strong scores up to the fit and was real close to passing. The toe not perimeter fit to the standard killed my score, so I did not pass. I had a great time and picked up a few more pointers from a lot of great guys. It was well worth the trip and noticed that my speed and quality is improving in my everyday shoeing. Going to do it again in July, then start working on my CJF. :)

I have learned a lot about the AFA and highly recommend others give this test a shot. It is educational and will help build up your skills. I have asked for a long time what does the AFA do for us. Now I know.
Phil Armitage, CF
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 05:59 #112

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Phil,
I don't use clips if I don't have to. Usually I start with the third nail on both sides first. This way the shoe doesn't slide back. Start the nail towards the front of the hole helps.

Good luck on the next try.
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 14:39 #113

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Phil,
I don't use clips if I don't have to. Usually I start with the third nail on both sides first. This way the shoe doesn't slide back. Start the nail towards the front of the hole helps.

Good luck on the next try.

Thanks Mike

That is how I nail up every day, but as the clock ticks on a precise fit you have a choice to just get it nailed up and take your knocks or not finish. I just need to get faster and not let the clock get to me as I nail up and finish.

I am still trying to get 10's on all parts and this uses up a lot of time. Also trying to get it done without pre shaped or pre sized shoes. Only thing more difficult would be to do this with handmades and I have considered it. Nothing in the rules says you can't have a variety of keg shoes ready to go and save time and pass this test. Heel checks, boxed and safed and half sizes, I could tackle this test that way, however glad I that I didn't. I am using KH plain shoes sizes 00 to 3, shape hot, cut and forge my heels, finish with a rasp on the spot without the use of power. I feel if I start now getting into the habit of seeing the shape, measure and develop my forging skills I will get faster. It will help me with my everyday work and also help me get ready to do the CJF. Plus it is good for an ole guy to break a sweat once in awhile. Good for the muscles and joints. :)

I had a nice run going, nice flow and it felt right, definite improvement over the first try. To be honest I figured their is no way I can get faster, however this trip proved to me that with more practice I can.
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 14:51 #114

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Phil do you not have to get a 7 or more to pass?
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 14:59 #115

smitty88 wrote:
Phil do you not have to get a 7 or more to pass?

My understanding is you need at least 7's throughout. I was told my scores were strong through out, but not enough to save me on the fit. Minimum overall score is 80. They are very strict on the perimeter fit in the toe, can loose a lot of points with the shoe back at all.
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 15:16 #116

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If your having problems fitting with no clips
you need to get crackin in fitting them

its easier i think fitting with out clips
i woudent be spending to much time on any one area of the job
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 15:29 #117

smitty88 wrote:
If your having problems fitting with no clips
you need to get crackin in fitting them

its easier i think fitting with out clips
i woudent be spending to much time on any area of the job


It is easier for me to fit and nail up with clips, didn't realise how dependent I became on the clips holding the shoe in place. I can do a good job without clips if I do not rush, but your right about spending too much time on other parts of the job. The part that eats up the most time for me is shaping the shoes and getting them level. I am getting a good handle on that now. Another problem I noticed about myself is not getting the right shape in my head as I am trimming and have to go back to the horse one extra time. This has been a great way for me to evaluate what I need to do to be more efficient and get faster. The AFA CJF is much more challenging and almost seems like an impossible task. My hats off to all of those who have passed the AFA CJF.
Phil Armitage, CF
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 15:39 #118

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Phil ,
forget about the CJF
its the CF you need to pass first

as i said before make shoes for feet
this will give you the picture quicker

i try to drill this into students and it works
Smitty88
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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 15:42 #119

Phil
It seems to me you use nbs, and other times set back shoes,
So you may not have noticed that toe nails used first,
and just placing the nail in the hole can suck a shoe back
as you are nailing it on.

A trick I learned is:
use #3 nail holes (heel being #4)
and place the point of the nail in the forward portion of the hole.

If this doesn't totally solve the prob,
then do the same but don't drive them home, only half way,
then do the same in the heel nail holes,
placing the point in the forward position of the holes,
then take them all home.

I think this could help,
and doesn't take any more time.
Bradley SaintJohn

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RE:Phil Armitage scored a 95 on his CF written !!!! 21 Jun 2009 18:05 #120

Bradley: Thank you, I will keep that in mind. Developed some habits and I am the type to get into a habit and just do it without thinking.

Smitty: Thank you, your knowledge and experience is appreciated. It occurred to me that the CF is a prep. for the CJF and the CJF is a personal goal. I'm not use to getting the job done under the pressure of time, I'm fine with others watching. My clients don't have a problem with how long I take to do the job as long as it is a good job. Built a good reputation with folks around here by takeing my time with their horses.

Personally I would like to improve on my speed. Sometimes it feels like I moved right along and completed the job in a timely manner until I check the time and am shocked how long it took me. It bothers me more than it bothers others. This experience has been very good for me and has taught me a lot about myself.
Phil Armitage, CF
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