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picking up work 14 May 2009 23:40 #1

So im starting to seriously loose hope about this career field as each dat passes. and i know building a successful bussiness takes time and you got to pay your dues, but that seems to be my problem. I cant seem to pic up any work i have a few clients here and there but nothing to keep me busy. what would be your suggestion to picking up any type of work. Ive been told to just drop bussiness cards in mailboxes. and talk to barn owners/managers. but nothing seems to come of it. Then im told most of the time you need to go work under someone. yea i understand that. But thats where my problem has really set in. I cant seem to find anyone to go work for. Ive called 90 farriers in a 100 mile radious. and i got declined by 87 of them. and the other 3 i just never heard back from. So i take that as turn downs as well. There are 2 people that help me out one a older gentlemen that does 30 horses or so since he is pretty much retired. and then a guy who has about 100 horses which isnt enough to take me along but once every so often, people tell me to think about relocating but im tryed that as well. with a few people off of here which i will not name. and they didnt like the idea that im new and un experienced. But tell me something how do you get experience in a job if you dont get hired by anyone? i hope someone can help
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RE:picking up work 14 May 2009 23:50 #2

you must just get stuck with few good ones, and work your a s s off. atleast that´s what i did. and studystudystudy. get to know your s h i t. most good farriers want to share with someone eager to learn.
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RE:picking up work 14 May 2009 23:50 #3

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where are you located? where did you attend farrier school? how long have you been in business?
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 00:14 #4

I went to far hills forge under sonny pistilli. then i studied under mike at cornell. then i did numorous clinics and got trained to use epona shoes. so the education i have the work i dont
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 00:53 #5

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Brad Beers wrote:
I went to far hills forge under sonny pistilli. then i studied under mike at cornell. then i did numorous clinics and got trained to use epona shoes. so the education i have the work i dont

What state do you live in?
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 01:00 #6

O sorry i been doing it for a little over a year. and i live in south eastern PA
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 01:04 #7

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O sorry i been doing it for a little over a year. and i live in south eastern PA

Like Chester County south?
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 01:08 #8

not so much thats like a hr and so from me. im in a town called perkasie which is about a hr north of philly
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 01:16 #9

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Brad Beers wrote:
not so much thats like a hr and so from me. im in a town called perkasie which is about a hr north of philly
See if Quakertown Vets can help you out.
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 01:28 #10

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I would not lose hope. It sounds like a dream set-up to start a business. You already have a much better start than most with your schooling. I grew up in Bucks County on a horse farm. I remember it as horse central. More famous horse people within an hour of us than I can name. Unless things have changed and I doubt they have you are in a more densly horse populated area than most places. Even better, is populated with a rather well to do crowd. It is now coming into the crazy season. I would place all those calls again. Someone will be staring at their app book wondering how they are going to cover all that work, probably with a sore back. An informed farrier will appreciate the level of education you have and be more apt to take you on than a raw recruit. Wish I had more for you than that, Be ready to capitalize on any situation and your big break will come. Get one or two horses from each of those 90 farriers and you wil be on your way.;)
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 02:32 #11

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Brad Beers wrote:
Then im told most of the time you need to go work under someone. yea i understand that. But thats where my problem has really set in. I cant seem to find anyone to go work for. Ive called 90 farriers in a 100 mile radious. and i got declined by 87 of them. and the other 3 i just never heard back from. So i take that as turn downs as well.

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But tell me something how do you get experience in a job if you dont get hired by anyone? i hope someone can help
I think your problem is you are looking for someone to work for.

Stop looking for someone to work for and look for someone to apprentice with, not expecting anything in return. After you have apprenticed with some one for a while they will start sending you their over flow.
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 02:32 #12

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:)Brad Beers wrote:
So im starting to seriously loose hope about this career field as each dat passes. and i know building a successful bussiness takes time and you got to pay your dues, but that seems to be my problem. I cant seem to pic up any work i have a few clients here and there but nothing to keep me busy. what would be your suggestion to picking up any type of work. Ive been told to just drop bussiness cards in mailboxes. and talk to barn owners/managers. but nothing seems to come of it. Then im told most of the time you need to go work under someone. yea i understand that. But thats where my problem has really set in. I cant seem to find anyone to go work for. Ive called 90 farriers in a 100 mile radious. and i got declined by 87 of them. and the other 3 i just never heard back from. So i take that as turn downs as well. There are 2 people that help me out one a older gentlemen that does 30 horses or so since he is pretty much retired. and then a guy who has about 100 horses which isnt enough to take me along but once every so often, people tell me to think about relocating but im tryed that as well. with a few people off of here which i will not name. and they didnt like the idea that im new and un experienced. But tell me something how do you get experience in a job if you dont get hired by anyone? i hope someone can help

I'm impressed that you got 87 out of 90 farriers to call you back. Thats gotta be a record in and of itself. lol. This problem really require more information than you may want to share for the world to see. From what you've written, you are gonna get a lot of "hang in there's" and "keep at it's" and "don't give up's". But really what you may need to be looking at are (in no particular order)
1) How much are you charging
2) what kinds of horses are you comfortable with shoeing?
3) what is your debt situation, and are you living above your means
4) what are the successful farriers in your area doing that you are not? what differentiates them from yourself? Is it communication skills? Professional clean cut image and professional appearance? Quality of work? Knowledge base concerning the subject of farriery? Forging skills?
5) Are you trying too hard? Desperation smells worse than perspiration and people pick up on that and it can scare off potential clientel.
6) Perception, how much have you invested in your business, aside from your education? Are you trying to shoe out of the back of a rusty el camino, with just a few tools? Always be continuously re-investing in your business. A nice rig will not keep you clients, and a nice rig does not make you a good shoer, but a nice rig does present a professional image (and) perception and first impressions are important enough that it'll sometimes get your foot in the door, the rest is up to you.
7) networking is important for someone in your situation. make an effort to make friends withpeople who can help you, be it good farriers, vets, feed store employees, vet techs, trainers, barn managers, grooms, etc, etc,. Interract with these people on a social level and tell them you would really appreciate any refferals.
8) make the most of your down time, be productive, continue to improve, read, study, forge, think of a game plan, and set reasonable goals. be productive
9) be annoying, if there is a farrier in your area that you really respect, even if he turned you down before. Ask him again if you can tag along, this time add something like pleeeeeze. Don't expect or ask these people to pay you anything. Jut help them any way you can, holding a horse, unloading or loading the truck, getting water, sweeping, just be johny on the spot. It'll pay off. Don't bother them with too many questions in front of owners or while they are working, save your wind for the ride home.
10) be confident that you WILL be successful. even if you are struggling at present. opportunities are always knocking, we are sometimes just too du-m-b to notice, or unprepared when they arrive. There is a self fulfilling prophecy...... if you have it in your head you can't do it, then you won't do it, your sub conscious will not allow you to be successful, it will actually work against you to mess you up.
if you visualize yourself in a different light, as daily making progress towards your goals, as every day you are better than the day before, as if you are THE MAN, the rest of the horse owning public is just missing out because they don't know you yet. Don't be cocky or arrogant, but be confident that you have prepared sufficiently for success. (preparation builds confidence).
Chris Gregory says to walk into a situation with the confidence as if YOU invented the anvil and your dad invented the horseshoe. (Or hammer, or something like that, lol)
11) If you have kids or something you may have to take a night job for the time being. But don't give up if shoeing is what you want. Working a night job should be looked at as only a temporary neccessity. People move to nashville, or hollywood, and work waiting tables or something until they get a big break. no difference. the potential money in building a good farrier practice is significant, and much better than if you just quit on the idea, and go to work for autozone or something.
12) become active in your state association. these guys WILL help you.
13) don't think you are the only unlucky ba-s-s(turd) on the planet. everyone struggles, it builds character:) I have lived on a cot in a storage shed, with an ancient gas heater hooked up to a propane tank (on the property of the guy I was apprenticing with). I've rented a trailer and lived with only a three legged couch for furniture, couldn't pay the gas heating bill, no gas to stay warm or cook on the stove, or take a hot shower..... or at least I thought, I took ice cold showers for two months before I turned the hot water on..... waited a while, and found out I had an electric hot water heater. (st-u-p-id):rolleyes: I've slept in horse stalls, horse trailers, I've had to ration out dry cheerios for weeks between me and my dog. wow memories:) when you are down on your luck, it just makes you all the more driven, all the more motivated, to be successful and make a way when there does not appear to be a way. It should make you angry and hungry to learn all you can and work on your weaknesses. If some other knucklehead can make a living doing this, so can you. These times your in now, will only make you appreciate the success that will come, and they are the times in which you will forge your foundation for that success. Its a gut check on how bad do you want it, I think your just being tested.
hope something i said may help you, good luck
Rick Talbert
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 02:39 #13

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Well said, Rick, and good advice.

Brad, I would like to add that when you have few to shoe, you have time to make every job as near perfect as can be. When an owner or trainer sees that you take pride in your shoeing and give the job a little extra, the referalls will come.
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 02:59 #14

I think your problem is you are looking for someone to work for.

Stop looking for someone to work for and look for someone to apprentice with, not expecting anything in return. After you have apprenticed with some one for a while they will start sending you their over flow.



I just wrote that in general terms. Even in the apprentice perspective i can find anything. im not just making up excuses so you guys feel bad for me everything i type and word on here is truthful. I had a few things lined up but everytime id call they would tell me that there other guy was helping or i would just get in the way. Or youll cost me more then youll earn me. etc. Ive never dealt with a worse group of people in my area then some of the farriers. and the only reason i got ahold of so many was because of me being so determined. And i kept calling back day after day until i got a "NO" As far as all the advice you have given i have a nice rig. i dress profession. work hard. make my work look great. etc etc. i have a nice looking trailor i work out of that i save for. I just dont no what else to do
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RE:picking up work 15 May 2009 03:26 #15

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I think your problem is you are looking for someone to work for.

Stop looking for someone to work for and look for someone to apprentice with, not expecting anything in return. After you have apprenticed with some one for a while they will start sending you their over flow.



I just wrote that in general terms. Even in the apprentice perspective i can find anything. im not just making up excuses so you guys feel bad for me everything i type and word on here is truthful. I had a few things lined up but everytime id call they would tell me that there other guy was helping or i would just get in the way. Or youll cost me more then youll earn me. etc. Ive never dealt with a worse group of people in my area then some of the farriers. and the only reason i got ahold of so many was because of me being so determined. And i kept calling back day after day until i got a "NO" As far as all the advice you have given i have a nice rig. i dress profession. work hard. make my work look great. etc etc. i have a nice looking trailor i work out of that i save for. I just dont no what else to do

drop your prices. everyone here will say no, no, no. but reality is you gotta put meat on the table. you'll get low rent clients and low rent horses, but its better than nothing. When I was a kid and told my Uncle I had plans to go to farrier school, he told me "well, at least you'll never starve. If a man knows how to shoe a horse he can walk down a driveway and offer to do it for cheap money if times get rough." Luckily, I've never had to do that. My hard times were all self inflicted early on, and I got out of them by doing many of the things I listed above. But I would not look down on someone who has to go down driveways. A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do. I have farriers around me who do that. They are not really in the same boat that your in though, they are hungry for work because they take no pride in what they do, or they are on drugs, or have other problems. BUT, they fill a void, they are needed, if it were not for the farrier charging low rates or proactively seeking clients, lots of horses just would not get done at all. Too many owners are broke or are too lazy to track down a farrier. Do work for less than your worth just to have work to do. You can always raise your rates and improve your clientel, but you gotta pay the bills man.
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