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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 27 Jan 2005 14:46 #46

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Ok, I know almost five years is not a long time being a farrier, but 100 shoeings a week! Come on that is 14.28 horses every day for seven days. How long does it really take to shoe a horse correctly and does horse 1 and horse 14.28 have the same quality job? How about day seven when you have done this six days without a break already? Either someone tends to stretch the truth alittle or I'm a big sissy. Comments?

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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 27 Jan 2005 15:49 #47

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Thanks for your thoughts. I too thought when he told me that he does 75-100, was alot of horses. I will wait and see. I do believe as with any business
there are time and places for questions. I do have some base skills with horses and a little common sense . I guess i have first time jitters

thanks for the input about schools. Danny Wards school i think i will set up some time to drive down there.

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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 27 Jan 2005 17:14 #48

See what a few beers will do, you start telling lies to the bar tender and waitress, "Yep I am a Farrier" Oh my gosh, what is that? "Well I shoe horses" You shoot horses :confused: No, no I.... s h o e... horses. Ohhhh, LOL you shoe horses, are there that many horses out there? Ohh yea, tons of them everywhere, big barns little barns, but you have to know what your doin, takes a lot of skill. How often do they need shoes? "Well lets see every 6-8 weeks" Wow, how many do you do every day? "Well let me see, (honest answer is 4-6 a day, but that sounds like so little, geesh feels like I do more than that) I do about 10-15 a day, Ohhh (waitress thinking yea right ego detector going off) How long does it take to shoe a horse? "Oh if your good like me, about 30 minutes to do them all around, if they give you trouble it might take a liittle longer" Ohh my gosh they give you trouble, I would be afraid to near them, have you ever gotten hurt. "OHHHH yea, look at this scar right here got a nail right into my finger, blead like a pig, had to go to the emergency room almost died from it.

So there is where the numbers 75-100 a week come from. Just heard this conversation the other day, I added a little to make it an interesting read. I was honest, my buddy was flirting.
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 27 Jan 2005 17:32 #49

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Phil you should be a playwright. but the point is well taken
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 27 Jan 2005 17:40 #50

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*LOL* Well, Phil - everyone needs an ego stroke now and then, huh? Especially when trying to be impressive. But then it usually, somehow, backfires, doesn't it? *VBG*

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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 27 Jan 2005 20:42 #51

Phil,
Amen to that! BTW, I agree if you are doing it right, four to six shoes a day is alot, or atleast enough. I was thinking about this today, and between shoes and trims, I am under 7 to ten horses a day. Some days four, some days fifteen( if a lot of trims, or its july and I am way behind! :D ) So 8 would be a good number of total horses a day multiply by 5 days in a week, then multiply by 50 work weeks in a year--thats under 2000 horses and 8000 feet trimmed. I'm tired thinking about it! 100 horses SHOD a week x 50 weeks would be 5000 horses a year, or 20000 feet trimmed and shod! WOW! :rolleyes: ...
I guess I'm a wimp!
Jason
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 27 Jan 2005 20:56 #52

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The most I ever did I think was shod 9 and trimed a couple. I was younger, it was the middle of summer and I was behind and at that it was a LONG day.

I've done a little more when I had help...even some one to pull shoes and clinch makes a big difference.

I don't think I'd promise more than 6 (shod all the way around) and I'd rather shoot for 4.
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 27 Jan 2005 21:32 #53

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Phil, I've always been open and honest with my clients and welcome them to discuss any issues that they might not understand. Many times it has cleared up problems with clients that they were afraid to ask. Remember if you have an apprentice riding with you, owners expect you to be verbal with your student. Never in 27 years has it caused a problem, has settled quite a few tho. Again it works for me, Best, Gary
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 27 Jan 2005 22:03 #54

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Last night I ran into another local farrier at a Feed Lot Sorting practice my wife and I were at. First thing he always says is how many horses he shod or trimmed that day. My answer has turning into "One less that you did!" I don't know why guys get off on braggin about how many they get under in a day?? I'll do my 5 or 6 and go home! Gary
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 28 Jan 2005 01:52 #55

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My faviorte how fast you can do'em story is about a shoer who came to a ranch to shoe four horses. This is all true by the way. So the lady who told me this said to him that the gray mare was going to be shown that summer, so could he do an extra good job on her. He did. He spent an hour shoeing the mare, and then another hour shoeing the other three. This guy was known for picking up a foot and it not touching the ground untill it was done.
Hey Jason,
Some time sit back and estamate how many nails you've driven.
Bill

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I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 28 Jan 2005 03:58 #56

Hey Phil, you're buddy forgot to tell the waitress that he makes $500 per horse. When I had the pleasure of going down to Goergia and working with Jaye, we met up with the great Palmer Wilson. That's the gentlemen that taught Jaye a few things, anyway Palmer was taking his time driving nails to the hairline on this one horse and I asked him, Palmer how many horseshoe nails have you driven in your life? We started doing some math, 7 horses a day 4 shoes, 7 nails per shoe = 196 nails per day, 5 days a week = 980 nails per week 50 weeks a year = 49,000 nails per year 45 years (I think) = 2,205,000 nails driven, not counting the ones that were pulled and re-driven. That's almost two and a quarter million nails driven. It's amazing.
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 28 Jan 2005 15:06 #57

Gary Hill wrote:
Phil, I've always been open and honest with my clients and welcome them to discuss any issues that they might not understand. Many times it has cleared up problems with clients that they were afraid to ask. Remember if you have an apprentice riding with you, owners expect you to be verbal with your student. Never in 27 years has it caused a problem, has settled quite a few tho. Again it works for me, Best, Gary

I understand what your saying, I have customers that totaly trust me and I totaly trust them and we have become good friends, we openly discuss all kinds of things. New England can be tuff though, I don't know if it is the cold weather, but it takes a long time for people to warm up to ya. I like to communicate, but I have gotten burned a few times, because of misunderstandings. Probably me, I continue to improve my communications skills. Giving unsolicited advice in my area can be taken as an insult around here. How about telling someone something that might save there horses life, like your horse is fat. I like to tell them your being a little too kind and too careing to your horse, then chuckle a little, and then wait to see if they ask what do you mean? This trade has taught me more than shoeing. I use to be pretty direct and not care how people took it, sometimes I am still that way with certain types of people, then I decided it is also important that I can have a roof over my head, pay my bills and eat. :) I also found a sense of humor goes a long way. Been hard to have a sense of humor lately with temps below zero. If I am lucky, the smile freezes to my face for the day, :D
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 28 Jan 2005 19:45 #58

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I'm so glad that in this day and age farriers are more open with their knowledge. When I got out of North Texas Farriers Institude, owned and taught by Al Pinson, in 1978, farriers were not very helpful with a new kid in the neighborhood! The first few times I would see another farrier working at a barn I would stop and introduce myself and ask if they would mind if I observed and maybe ask a question now and then. Unfortunately most the time I got rebuked and run off! I did one year go up to the State Fair barns and watched Lee Liles work and even brought my camera. Lee was and still is GREAT, as he let me take pictures of him as he worked ,and asked anything that came to my mind! I'm sure he kinda regreaded letting me do that after a whole day watching him! I did send him copies and just happened to run into him three weekends ago at a gas station as I was traveling through Okla. He invited me and my wife to come by and see his Museum and because we had a horse with us even offered to put us up for the night! We also had my father inlaw with us as to why we were going though OKla, so we resumed our trip home but do plan on visiting Lee this summer hopefully! That's another reason I like this forum so much, and I did live and work in New Jersey for two years but to shoe in the kind of cold weather y'all have you can keep it! Of course ours is 70's for a few days then rain and cold wind in the low 40's! It's no wonder our heads are so conjested! Anyways, Y'all have a good day! Gary
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 29 Jan 2005 00:41 #59

As far as the questions go, the first few days you probably won't be doing alot anyway, so stay out of the way, stay quiet unless the elder statesman asks if you have any questions. Take a note pad and take notes so when you're in the truck you can ask all the questions you want. As you start to learn how your mentor works you will start helping more, then as time permits and the client is out of ear shot, you ask questions while you're working. The biggest problem with asking questions especially while the client is there is the time it takes to answer, and if the client hears the question then they will also want an explanation but in lehmans terms, at least you have a decent start at understanding farrier terms and such. Never wait to be told to do something, after a few times of riding you should start to know the routine and jump in and help. Never touch a foot with a rasp, knife or nipper until told, but don't be afraid to hand tools, or put a shoe in the forge and light it up while your mentor is under the horse, everything you do to help speed up the process will give your mentor more time and better reasons to help you learn.
just my opinion.
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RE:Schools,Apprenticing,Do's and Dont's 29 Jan 2005 05:27 #60

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thanks for the advice Dave and everyone. I learned today that the farrier i will be working with/for has two sons and they may at least one helper, learning, cleaning hooves, clinching, ect. So i believe he will be a good instuctor as well. :)
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