make up natural cara make up make up tutorial make up korea make up minimalis make up artis make up mata belajar make up make up wardah alat make up makeup forever indonesia makeup artist jakarta tips make up barbie make up natural make up make up wajah make up pesta make up syahrini makeup mata makeup minimalis peralatan make up make up cantik make up mac make up kit jual make up make up sederhana perlengkapan make up gambar make up vidio make up cara makeup minimalis wardah make up make up pac make up glamour cara memakai makeup make up panggung harga make up make up modern make up alami make up dasar pixy make up make up muslimah make up oriflame make up jepang makeover cosmetic make up ultima make up sariayu grosir make up makeup fantasi makeup pesta tas makeup langkah make up make up pria make up malam alat makeup tahapan make up produk make up shading make up mak up make up kebaya make up jilbab make up inez make up simpel contoh make up cara ber makeup makeup wajah tanpa make up make up terbaru toko make up mac makeup indonesia make up soft urutan make up trik make up makeover makeup brand gusnaldi make up paket make up panduan make up jual makeup brush make up bagus alat2 make up make up gusnaldi aplikasi make up alat alat makeup dasar make up inez make up peralatan makeup make up wanita make up berjilbab make up tebal sejarah make up make up maybeline make up branded make up siang tata cara makeup reseller make up make up muslim make up maybelin warna make up tips make up artist rias make up make up mata make up artis belajar make up make up artist kursus make up kuas make up make up forever indonesia jual make up mac indonesia make up make up artist indonesia harga make up forever jual make up online make up pac make up forever jakarta make up oriflame jual make up forever make up online shop indonesia harga make up sekolah make up grosir make up harga make up maybelline jual make up murah make up terbaru mak up mac make up indonesia sofia make up make up kit murah mac makeup indonesia produk make up jual make up kit make up store indonesia make up forever academy jakarta toko make up online jual make up set jual make up mac make up beauty jual make up branded produk make up mac make up forever harga make up mac indonesia produk make up artis jual make up palette produk make up forever make up palette murah before after make up pengantin before after make up sendiri before n after hasil makeup contoh make up karakter contoh riasan pengantin before n after harga make up wisuda harga make up artist harga make up forever make up wisuda rias wisuda di jogja Daftar harga make up forever daftar harga make up mac daftar harga kosmetik make up forever makeup wisuda harga makeup wisuda kursus make up di yogyakarta kursus make up di jogja kursus make up jogja kursus make up yogyakarta kursus kecantikan di yogyakarta kursus kecantikan di jogja kursus make up artist di jogja kursus rias pengantin di jogja kursus rias di yogyakarta kursus tata rias di yogyakarta rias pengantin muslim jogja jasa kreasi jilbab wisuda yogyakarta jasa rias make up wisuda murah bagus bisa dpanggil tempat make uf di jigja yang bagus rias wisuda murah dan berkualitas yogyakarta pakar kreasi jilbab di jogja make uper natural yogya make up wisuda hijab area jogja make up dan kreasi jilbab yang bagus di jogja jasa make up natural untuk wisuda jogja makeup jogja make up jogja makeup yogyakarta make up yogyakarta makeup wisuda jogja make up wisuda jogja make up wisuda yogyakarta makeup wisuda yogyakarta
Thursday August 11, 2022
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me

TOPIC: Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!!

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 24 Sep 2008 02:05 #46

  • calshoer
  • calshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Guru
  • Posts: 7253
  • Karma: 0
The shape of the roll in the bone is going to be reflected in the roll of the toe of the capsule, but forward of the bone .
How much simpler can this be?
Patty Stiller CNBF,CLS
www.hoofcareonline.com
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 24 Sep 2008 02:09 #47

  • solidrockshoer
  • solidrockshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Admin
  • Posts: 12874
  • Thank you received: 2
  • Karma: -1
I do not know what is going on here. Did NB release another pamphlet?
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 24 Sep 2008 04:18 #48

  • calshoer
  • calshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Guru
  • Posts: 7253
  • Karma: 0
I do not know what is going on here. Did NB release another pamphlet?
No. I am trying to understand what it is that Eric (you?) does not understand about the shape and breakover point location of NB.
I am tying to explain it in MY way. I am not Gene and I explain things independantly and differently from him.
Patty Stiller CNBF,CLS
www.hoofcareonline.com
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 24 Sep 2008 10:12 #49

  • Mike Ferrara
  • Mike Ferrara's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Guru
  • Posts: 5057
  • Thank you received: 3
  • Karma: 0
calshoer wrote:
Yes ,as lng as the foot has a chance to wear at all naturally,the roll across the toe is formed at *about* 1/4" forward of the tip of P3 through the natural wear mechanism including the anatomical fact that the sole callus is morew dense and wear resistant than the outer wall , and therefore stops the toe wear at the the callus.

Is that a valid assumption? I don't think so. If and where a bare hoof will roll is dependant on a lot of things.

Further ,why would you assume thats the location that yields the best results in ALL conditions?
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 24 Sep 2008 10:25 #50

  • solidrockshoer
  • solidrockshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Admin
  • Posts: 12874
  • Thank you received: 2
  • Karma: -1
calshoer wrote:
No. I am trying to understand what it is that Eric (you?) does not understand about the shape and breakover point location of NB.

If you draw a line at BO is should go straight up the front of p3. Right? That seems to be the path of least resistance, so "naturally" the toe will wear away at that point. But your not addressing this roll in the bone. If the roll is more, do you have a shoe to accommodate it? If the roll goes back into p3, why isn't NB breakover going back with it. NB doesn't seem to be shoeing for any roll in the bone. They seem to be shoeing for where a feral horse out west wears his foot down.

This is the first time I've heard of NB shoeing for a roll in the bone. Is Gene aware of this?
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 24 Sep 2008 11:07 #51

I don't know about the roll in the bone and frankly do not care. How about discussing ground reactionary forces, environment, conformation, weight, size and what the horse does for a living and all the drugs and medication used in the industry. By the way horses don't just experience laminitis because of grain and grass.

If you leave a horse to its own demise I would think the environment would have the most impact on hoof shape. A horses foot is going to adapt and wear a heck of a lot different on soft footing than hard footing. duh and so what.

However we are not talking about leaving a horse to their own demise, we are talking about domestic athletes and recreational companions and many of them pumped full of so many different medication and drugs that we have no clue how it affects the lamina. The environment can be unpredictable and inconsistent for the domestic horse. Every horse is unique in several ways and based on this it is without a doubt in my mind that any model based on feral horse is flawed and this is why many highly experienced farriers get tired and annoyed with these discussions. No doubt NB provides some good tool to balance the foot, however as it has been said over and over again it is a tool among many other tools.

Enough already, lets talk about something that is useful and based on use based domestic horses. :)

What about Rooney's explanation on the frog. I just read an article in the Farriers Journal that flys in the face of Rooney's explanation of forces on the frog. I think this basic understanding is important in our role as hoof care providers.
Phil Armitage, CF
AFA member 7480

"Anyone who proposes to do good must not expect people to roll stones out of his way, but must accept his lot calmly if they even roll a few more upon it." Albert Schweitzer
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 24 Sep 2008 11:35 #52

  • solidrockshoer
  • solidrockshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Admin
  • Posts: 12874
  • Thank you received: 2
  • Karma: -1
Phil- don't blame drugs for your feet falling apart.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 24 Sep 2008 12:13 #53

Eric Russell wrote:
Phil- don't blame drugs for your feet falling apart.

I don't, I take a lot of pride in keeping most of them together regardless of the variables horses face. :)

The more problems people cause the more problems need to be solved.
Phil Armitage, CF
AFA member 7480

"Anyone who proposes to do good must not expect people to roll stones out of his way, but must accept his lot calmly if they even roll a few more upon it." Albert Schweitzer
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 24 Sep 2008 12:21 #54

  • smitty88
  • smitty88's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Guru
  • Posts: 6951
  • Thank you received: 64
  • Karma: 13
My idea of keeping feet together having a good solid foot and shape
is learn how to dress feet and fit shoes

you can talk all night about the other stuff
but if you cant dress feet and fit

your lost
Smitty88
John Mc Loughlin
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 24 Sep 2008 12:57 #55

smitty88 wrote:
My idea of keeping feet together having a good solid foot and shape
is learn how to dress feet and fit shoes

you can talk all night about the other stuff
but if you cant dress feet and fit

your lost

I totally agree with you Smitty. This is the basic foundation of the horse regardless of what else is going on. I believe a lot of problems are caused simply because the feet are not strong and in proper shape. I also think it makes the job of the Vet and farrier easier if you know your foundation is good. I have to say the biggest thing I took away from this experience is fitting the heels. I discovered that I am either not providing enough shoe on the lateral heel or have too much on the medial heel due to leaving the shoe symmetrical on unsymmetrical feet. Craig pointed out how the medial side of the coffin bone is a little steeper and shorter on most horses, asymmetry in most feet, however keg shoes are symmetrical where a handmade properly done is not. I would think this has to affect the load and impact on the horses foot and lead to distortion and trauma in the hoof over time if not dealt with.
Phil Armitage, CF
AFA member 7480

"Anyone who proposes to do good must not expect people to roll stones out of his way, but must accept his lot calmly if they even roll a few more upon it." Albert Schweitzer
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Craig Trnka Sets Shoes Back In Nh!!!!! 25 Mar 2009 00:24 #56

For an extremely wry foot where it's clear I will have too much heel on one branch (almost always the medial), I cut a little heel off my keg shoe and the extra 2 minutes it takes to heat, cut and hammer finish is well worth the feeling of doing the job right.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Kunena Birthday Module

  • bertfair birthday is today
  • By His Grace birthday is today
  • farrierhc@gmail.com birthday is today
  • Ferno Garcia53DF birthday is today
  • Hextall27 birthday is today
  • irons_shoer birthday is today
  • jrandolph birthday is today
  • s-cogan1992 birthday is today
  • KEMPCOWBOY birthday is in 1 day
  • Mary Farrier birthday is in 1 day
  • Quarterman63 birthday is in 1 day
  • sawalew525124039 birthday is in 1 day
  • texasgunsel birthday is in 363 days
  • alexbonnetfarrier birthday is in 364 days
  • BeckiandBugs birthday is in 364 days
Time to create page: 0.209 seconds

S5 Box

Register

*
*
*
*
*
*

Fields marked with an asterisk (*) are required.