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Fees 10 Aug 2005 00:54 #1

  • wwhite1973
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With all the hoopla over licensing and the increase in fuel and steel prices I think it would be interesting to see what farriers in different parts of the country are charging for their services.
Say for instance:
full trim
2 front shoes and trim the rear
full shoes
These prices would include nothing special, say just your typical trail horse and don't forgot to include the state you are located and note whether hot shoeing or cold shoeing.
If I am out of bounds with this poll please forgive me and set me straight. If this has been done recently please forgive me too as I am new to this site.
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RE:Fees 10 Aug 2005 02:34 #2

Ball park, as within 10 miles of the house is $5 less on resets
1 reset: $95
1/2 reset:$70
1 trim:$30
1 pair shoes w/o clip:$15
1pair shoes w clip(s):$20
1 pair aluminum shoe:$20
1 pair al w/clip(s):$25
Basicly 4 new shoes w clips would be:$135 ($140 if aluminum pair w/clip)
2 new shoes w/clip(s):$90
Cold? If its too cold I stay home! :D
I do not make a distinction between handmades or keg shoes, though any bar shoe is $40 a pair. Pads, leather or snow are $20 a pair, drill tap 4 shoes $30, borium 4 shoes $30. Equipak 2 feet $45( not enough, I need to go up their!)
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RE:Fees 10 Aug 2005 02:45 #3

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Ok.....These are my current prices, but I am going up $10 each soon on everything but the trim. These are for cold shoeing.

Trim $30
Front shoes/trim rear $50
Four shoes $75
Front winters $65 (studs/pads)
Four winters $90 (studs/pads)
Unless you're the lead dog, the view never changes.
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RE:Fees 10 Aug 2005 04:04 #4

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wwhite1973 what are your fees?
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RE:Fees 10 Aug 2005 04:05 #5

Basic prices:

Trim 30.00
Front shoes 70.00
Front and Hind 120.00
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RE:Fees 10 Aug 2005 04:18 #6

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30-45 trim(depending on owners neglect)
45 pull and trim
65 shoe front trim hinds
90 full shoes
10 qtr clips
5 toe clip
10-25 pads
15-25 packing(various)
25 sliders
20 aluminums
forge gets fired up at every stop pounding cold steel is tough on the arm!!!
lamness issues are priced as to what is used and time required to apply.
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RE:Fees 10 Aug 2005 07:17 #7

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Wow, I've been following a different bb and all of the owners over there are quoting a LOT higher prices. Do the guys charging over $200 for a set of shoes not show up on these boards?

I'm in BC and I have started informing clients that my new prices, as of September 1st are as follows:

Trim $35
Fronts $90
Set $110

My prices are the same for hot or cold, although most of the horses are done hot.

The prices for this area seem to range between $25 to $40 for a trim, $65 to ?? for a pair and $85 to $135 for a set, from talking with some of the local guys. I hear of the odd person charging more or less than these ranges once in a while.

Cheri
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RE:Fees 10 Aug 2005 07:43 #8

Just to give you an idea here in Europe I charge a 110 euro for 4 steel shoes, like on a cutter or a young WP horse with no problems. That's like a basic price. At the going rate that would be like a $130.00. In the US I charge $150.00. Prices do not include travelling expenses.

Aluminum bars are 30 euro extra. Sliders 10, acrylic for feet with sliders when needed is 10, wedge and flat pads usually are 10. Regular aluminum is 20 extra. Pour in Hoofpack is 60 euro per tube, (usually I calculate 5 euro per centimeter (3/8") all in with is a little more).

Quarter cracks differ. If they're uncomplicated and just trimming related I charge materials and then some for my time. Usually that raises the total somewhere between 30 and 50 euros.

Complicated founder cases or other problems, I charge by the hour. Usually 100 euro an hour.


Ronald Aalders

P.s. I always hot fit, clips, square toes, tapered toes, extra nailholes, forged extensions and what have you, are all free. Basically all modifications to a shoe that can be done with a forge, a hammer and an anvil (exept for welding) is all included.
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RE:Fees 10 Aug 2005 20:03 #9

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First I would like to thank all of you who have responded and I hope we get a lot more.
I live in rural Missouri and it is hard to get what I get, beleive it or not! I was just told today that $25 for a trim was ridiculous and my reply was so is $2.38 a gallon for gasoline.
trim $25
shoe front trim rear $35
full shod $55
We have a couple hot shoers in the area but they do more cold shoeing than hot. My self I made a coal forge and use it mainly for a couple of draft horses I do.
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RE:Fees 10 Aug 2005 21:05 #10

Trim 35.00
4x 85.00
2x 65.00
4xw/sliders 125.00

We charge $20.00 more if size 3 foot or larger. Pads $15.00 a pair, we also charge $5.00 to reset pads, $10.00 more to draw clips or for clipped shoes. Impression material $10.00 a unit, steel nbs $15.00 pair, alum nbs $25.00 a pair. We also charge a $5.00 trip fee to each client. Were in western Oregon.
Phil Smith CNBF, CLS
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RE:Fees 10 Aug 2005 21:17 #11

I'm is S.E. Wisconsin shoeing mostly small places. My back can't take those long periods (4+hours) bent over at the same stop anymore. 2 to 4 stops per day. 27 years full time.
I like those travel breaks and all my clients are within 45 min. of home.
I work 8:am to 5:pm Mon thru Fri.
Saturday Work Total bill X .50% Time and 1/2
Sundays Double time :eek: they always seem to find that they can be there during the week.

Hot or cold same prices

Trim $34 Drafts $45
Fronts $75 Drafts $110
Full set $105 Drafts $160

Flat pads and packing $25/pr
Wedge pads $35/pr

Most special shoes; clipped , alun, polo, $15/pr
Bar shoes $30/pr

Any special hand mades $30/pr

Down time waiting for Vet, The feed guy needs the Isle,etc. $20/ ea.15min

I'll throw in a free trim here and there for large stops but no discounts.
I tell the people that if you have 10 trims and don't waste my time
Waiting while they catch a horse.
Waiting for them to put a horse out.
Horses are cleam and free of mud.
Area is ready when I get there (I don't have to re-arange their barn).
Horses stand well.
I might give them a break, if they make my stop there go smooth.


Gary
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RE:Fees 11 Aug 2005 01:05 #12

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Just an observation here, I'm not looking for another war(at least not right now :D )

With all the bruha over licensing and registration, don't you think that every time the discussion of fees, prices, whatever comes up and lots of folks jump in and list the whys and wherefores, we are shooting ourselves in the (ahem) foot? I mean, it seems to me that all the responders are doing is throwing fuel on the fire and giving government an even more intim*ate view into what we do and for how much. Don't you think that eventually someone is going to sit up, do the math and take notice? Its just like answering the survey questions from the AFJ. All that information gets collated and published and is then really handy for government inspection and review. Think about it. How many times does the AFJ have to report that some farriers are earning in the six figures, and many are in the high five figures before some pencil pusher from the government gets the message?

Does it not strike anyone else as strange that we are in this big debate over a survey where information is already available, just not collated, and the fear (irrational or otherwise) over what the AFA intends to do with the information, and yet, we freely, easily and willingly disclose to the world at large information that should be of at least a somewhat more restricted type?

Personally, I'm not about to give the government any closer look into my business than I have to, and that includes posting information relevant to my fee schedule/structure.

If anyone is truely interested in what my "fees for services" are, E-mail me and I'll consider discucssing them with you.

Also, with the information about the fees available, and then since too often there comes a "brag" about the number of horses in one's practice, and the frequency of farrier visits, it doesn't take a rocket scientist, let alone a money-hungry government lacky long to figure out , ballpark, what that individual is grossing(+/-). Hell, we don't need the AFA to stir up the licensing/registration pot, we seem quite capable of doing it all by ourselves.

And, please, once again, remember, thats JMNTBCHO!
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RE:Fees 11 Aug 2005 03:40 #13

I already think the information has been known for a long time, don't we all file tax returns. It amazed me the questions my insurance company asked me. They know the buisness pretty well.

What will shoot farriers in the foot is the bragging the God like farriers do, you know the 200.00 just for front shoes.

I feel better if the Gov. has a more realistic figure.
Phil Armitage, CF
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RE:Fees 11 Aug 2005 05:52 #14

Last time I looked at all the hoopla over licensing, it had nothing to do with the prices that were being charged. I think some are getting a bit parinoid.
Phil Smith CNBF, CLS
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RE:Fees 11 Aug 2005 15:06 #15

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Man Rick! I am new to this site and I've got to say that you are a tough cookie to figure out. From most of your posts I thought you were behind the AFA and licensing farriers. As far as throwing fuel on the fire, I think our income tax returns does that quite sufficiently. The IRS is the only one interested in our gross incomes. In most cases where people have to be licensed local governments don't base the fee on what you earn they usually charge a flat rate and could care less if you can afford it or not. I am sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers over my post, but I thought it would interesting to see what other farriers were charging in other parts of the country. (Actually I am an undercover agent for the FBI investigating price gouging complaints, or I just wanted to print out prices to show my customers how lucky they have it! LOL) just kidding. I really don't want to know that badly what you charge and I promise I won't e-mail you to find out your prices for fear that it might get intercepted by some government lacky. I hope you have a wonderful day and God bless.
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