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RE:Disinfecting tools 08 Mar 2009 17:18 #16

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If the whiteline disease organisms could be spread on my tools, then every horse I ever trimmed or shod would have contracted WLD from the few that had it. Yet it did not spread to my other clients. Nuff said. ;)

And I do not knowingly work on horses or in barns infected with strangles.
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RE:Disinfecting tools 08 Mar 2009 20:02 #17

"I can't imagine why a 'doctor' would recommend alcohol as a disinfectant. it is not approved as a disinfectant for any purpose." - mwmyersdvm

The 'doctor' in question is a Professor of Equine Surgery at LSU School of veterinary medicine, and a Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Surgeons. He has other credentials, but those were good enough for me. Our local vet had also suggested alcohol for thet apron. But Dr. Burba made the point that the alcohol was of of the best disinfectants, but it took a few minutes, so a simple wipe down wouldn't do it. I have this in my notes, so I'm sure I'm not mis-remembering it.

I guess opinions vary. It's good to know Vets can disagree as well as farriers. :)
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RE:Disinfecting tools 08 Mar 2009 21:23 #18

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I can appreciate your review of his credentials, but if he truly said this, he is incorrect. I consult for an FDA approved research laboratory (for over twenty years), so I am considerably more aware of disinfectants than surgeons, internists, or other medical professionals. Most livestock veterinarians have much more training in correct disinfection than do surgeons as your food health depends on it, not just a few hundred surgical cases. If you will note, I stated that no straight alcohol product is labeled as a disinfectant and this is a fact, so to use it as such could cause some serious repercussions if there is a 'break', an infection occurs, and a client wants to dispute it in a court of law. The client will easily win this one.

For some additional information, no veterinary clinic uses alcohol as a disinfectant as it is not approved as such.

Since the young Dr. Burba is teaching at my alma mater, I will shoot him an email and see if he made this statement. I graduated from the LSU School of Veterinary Medicine in 1978.
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RE:Disinfecting tools 08 Mar 2009 21:43 #19

Thanks for the reply. Please post the info you get after talking to Dr Burba. He was discussing ways to disinfect farrier tools, not vet clinics, but I would really appreciate knowing if alcohol is not a good idea, as Lysol is also readily available and easy to spray on porous materials like aprons, just a bit more expensive.

What would your suggestion be for aprons?
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RE:Disinfecting tools 10 Mar 2009 05:08 #20

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I do not disinfect my tools after working on these horses with WLD. My understanding is that the bacteria is anaerobic, whatever microscopic particles may be clinging to my tool stands little chance of surviving the journey to the next barn and even if it did, the chances of it "taking hold" in a healthy hoof would be next to impossible. The rasp takes away any evidence that would be left by the nippers, and the nature of the rasp is it does not giveth but taketh away, so I doubt the rasp leaves any potential amount of infectious contaminent either. If I'm wrong I'd love to see real evidence of it. I think one would stand a better shot at getting aids from a toilet seat or get pregnant in a hot tub.
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RE:Disinfecting tools 10 Mar 2009 11:57 #21

calshoer wrote:
And I do not knowingly work on horses or in barns infected with strangles.


Hi Patty. I hope you you never have to unknowingly work on a horse with strangles. In this case I was made aware by the barn owner and attending vet, and the horses were due, and one had developed a minor hoof problem.

If you do have to work in this situation, the attending vet should give you a protocol to follow.

In this case it wasn't that difficult:
Made it my last stop of the day.
Kept it simple - trims only - to minimize equipment used.
Wear rubber boots and disinfect before leaving the property.
Change cloths before leaving the property, bag them and wash them in bleach.
Disinfect tools before leaving the property. I used Nolvasan (sp) that the vet gave me to mix up.

This seemed to work as there were no more strangles infections, as far as we knew, in this area.

The big question was what to do with the apron, as per Patricks question.
I saturated it with 70% aclohol, dried it in the sun, repeated, and used my other one for a couple of months. I then sprayed it with Neatsfoot oil to soften it and have been using it since. This may not have been the best answer. I'm hoping someone can give us a better one.
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RE:Disinfecting tools 10 Mar 2009 20:30 #22

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Western Hill Forge wrote:
Thanks for the reply. Please post the info you get after talking to Dr Burba. He was discussing ways to disinfect farrier tools, not vet clinics, but I would really appreciate knowing if alcohol is not a good idea, as Lysol is also readily available and easy to spray on porous materials like aprons, just a bit more expensive.

What would your suggestion be for aprons?

I spoke to Dr. Burba. His lecture referenced a study where alcohol was a good hand disinfectant, not a hard surface disinfectant. He recommends chlorhexidine for instruments or other approved hard surface disinfectant and possibly Lysol for the apron, but the apron will be difficult to disinfect. Getting it as clean as possible would probably be the best that can be done.
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RE:Disinfecting tools 10 Mar 2009 20:56 #23

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What about good ole Rocal D?
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RE:Disinfecting tools 10 Mar 2009 21:39 #24

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Roccal D still works as a good hard surface disinfectant. Chlorhexidine is less irritating to skin and mucous membranes in case you get too much on you and I'm not sure of the cost and availability.
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RE:Disinfecting tools 11 Mar 2009 12:07 #25

Dr Myers,

Thanks so much for the follow-up with Dr. Burba and clarification. If in your contact with other professionals you have one of those "AHA!" moments regarding better ways of disinfection an apron, it would valuable knowledge for all of us. Again, I appreciate your taking the extra time and initiative.
Rick Shepherd

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